[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Knut]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Lol.... I just check backed here.... I have no intention on educating the people here that belong to the educational dictatorship.

But... just so I understand, you, or the person you're quoting, are suggesting that someone who has "natural immunity" (not sure why it's in quotes - but just copying your style) where their immune system can recognize all 29 proteins on the COVID19 virus has inferior immunity to someone who has been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine where there immune system can only recognize one (the spike protein) out of those 29 proteins and they have superior superior immunity. Give your head a shake.... so a hockey score of 29-1, the 1 wins in your world. When the COVID19 virus mutates (like in the delta strain)... all 29 proteins would have to change (be mutated) in order for the natural immunity to be completely ineffective, only one protein changing significantly would make the vaccine immunity ineffective... and guess what protein is different in the Delta strain... the spike protein?

I don't think we need to bash vaccines in general, but the mRNA vaccines have never worked widely in the real world before this one, it's a miracle. In the history of viruses.... and vaccines.... we have a vaccine that is better than natural immunity.... this has never occurred before in the history of vaccines... but continue your trek down the path of absurdity. I think if you're right, the pharmaceutical companies need to go back and redesign all the vaccines from chicken pox to measles, all the way down because if they are truly better - why can't we re-vaccinate the world here - and I can buy their stocks because you'll buy the vaccines - right?

What i get from that is that you think it is better to be Stupid. Ok then. You do you. Never seen someone blatantly pro-dumb.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years.

You went full McCarthy man. Never go full McCarthy

[Royle9]

Here we go focusing on all be it FAKE mortality rates, for the love of Christ its not always about who's dying but also who's getting sick and ultimately has had permanent ailments that impact there everyday livelihoods.

LOTS of young people are getting really sick, and some of them are being left with some pretty serious consequences and long term side effects.

[stazzy33]

I wish all these people who believed in the 99.9% survival rates had a place where they could go get Covid to prove us wrong. It would end the debate real quick I'm sure.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

It's ironic that the ones preaching they want to save lives, are the same ones who want to make life difficult for the people who disagree with them. We live in a country where we have the freedom to choose whether or not to get vaccinated, and for some reason, it's now okay to shame and segregate the people that aren't okay with vaccines.

Do you know fetal tissues are used in vaccines from various aborted fetuses from the 1970's and 1980's? The Pfizer & Moderna vaccines performed tests using fetal cell lines and Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development and production. Vaccines have also been linked to things like autism over the years. If more people knew things like this about the vaccines, I'm sure less people would okay with taking them. Now, if someone would rather take the over 99% chance of beating Covid without a vaccine (fact) over getting the jab, that's perfectly fine.

Welcome to the forum, Jenny McCarthy!

[theg69]

I am so glad there are so many doctors on this forum. Honestly means I need to find a new profession because I will be out of a job soon. LOL

Thankfully there is enough humanity in me to still empathize with the covid denying patient who ultimately dies in his 60s in ICU as well as the idiotic son with MS who is still "debating" about vaccination.

Also, there are previously healthy young patients in their 20s and 30s that are struggling to get back to their previous level of fitness and activity post-COVID months after their infection - to the point of needing me to fill out disability forms because they are unable to work (no history of absenteeism or issues prior to the infection). So giving me mortality rates mean nothing - morbidity rates would be more useful.

This forum just proves how tiring people are. Live a day in the shoes of health professionals honestly and understand that we are getting fatigued. I know it is literally impossible to change the mind of people who feel they have things figured out. Although I do find it hilarious that people who distrust evidence based medicine and doctors end up trusting idiots who usually have no medical background. Seriously, I am not going to a plumber to fix my car.

Again, no point arguing with people who have their mind set - as I have seen, there are literally people dying of COVID who refuse to believe that COVID is killing them. I try to convince people on the fence to vaccinate but if they give me the tone of a few of these posters here, I don't even bother.

Going off topic I know, but I figure it would help if someone who has actually dealt with patients who have gotten sick can give an opinion.

[troutman]

My hockey team is having the discussion as to whether we should all be double-vaccinated to participate. As team Captain I am receiving a wide range of opinions in confidence. I am somewhat surprised how much variation in attitudes there are. Some positions I disagree with personally, but there have been some reasonable points made all around.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

One again, if there was no debate. Why is there a video debating it? I personally had someone do some work on my house years ago and he was telling me about how his son got autism after getting vaccinated. Whether or not it's true, he believes it, because he's living it. I could hear the heartbreak and anger in voice. Would he debate this? absolutely.

This guy gets it.
I mean, it's a shame that he's the only one that understands this and is the one that has to explain it to the rest of you dumb dumbs, you know, on account of the fact that he eats babies, (in fact, there's a non-zero chance he is in fact famed baby eater Marek Zidlicky).

Don't deny it FireItUp.
The clear truth is, there is still a lot of debate about whether or not you eat babies.
I mean, here I am talking about you eating babies, if there wasn't any debate that you, FireItUp, ate babies, would I be here talking about it?
Of course not.

So clearly the jury is still out on whether or not FireItUp eats babies.
In fact, it might explain why he doesn't want all those drug companies to use fetal cells.
If they stop doing that, more babies for him and, of course, Marek Zidlicky.

So based on the clear fact that there is still a lot of debate about this, I'm gonna stick with my gut and say that FireItUp does in fact eat babies, you know, because of all of the debate about it.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Always link the actual source, not some random tweet claiming to be the source. You will find that no such statistics exist on the CDC's site, because this is a fake tweet.

If you really want to get into this debate, please do. But always quote the original source material to back up your claims, because anything else can be biased/selectively edited by whoever is reposting.

Your attempts to bring discredited former physician Wakefield into the debate is further proof that you need to go to the original source. The disgraced Wakefield was a gastroenterologist (not a psychologist or psychiatrist) who published a small series of cases in which some of his patients developed signs of autism at around one year of age. His study was later proven to have had falsified results, but in addition to that, his conclusions were not even supported by a proper statistical analysis of his faked raw numbers (yes, it was a major miss on the part of the peers who originally reviewed the article prior to it being published). It was subsequently revealed that he had applied for patents for monovalent vaccines to replace the trivalent vaccine that was in use (measles, mumps, rubella) and for a "cure" for autism, and it is likely that he was attempting to discredit the trivalent vaccine solely for financial gain, and also failed to disclose this conflict of interest when he submitted his paper to be published. Every major anti-vax campaign has Wakefield as the primary source of its "evidence" of the purported link between vaccines and autism, and there is really no other published evidence supporting this link (in fact, there may be an inverse relationship between the percent of the population that has had the MMR vaccine and the percent who have been diagnosed with autism).

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

This guy gets it.
I mean, it's a shame that he's the only one that understands this and is the one that has to explain it to the rest of you dumb dumbs, you know, on account of the fact that he eats babies, (in fact, there's a non-zero chance he is in fact famed baby eater Marek Zidlicky).

Don't deny it FireItUp.
The clear truth is, there is still a lot of debate about whether or not you eat babies.
I mean, hear I am talking about you eating babies, if there wasn't any debate that you, FireItUp, ate babies, would I be hear talking about it?
Of course not.

So clearly the jury is still out on whether or not FireItUp eats babies.
In fact, it might explain why he doesn't want all those drug companies to use fetal cells.
If they stop doing that, more babies for him, and , of course, Marek Zidlicky.

So based on the clear fact that there is still a lot of debate about this, I'm gonna stick with my gut and say that FireItUp does in fact eat babies, you know, because of all of the debate about it.

Fireitup eats babies. Change my mind.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

The fact that we have honest to god anti vaxxers on this forum has cemented my opinion. I’m not going to another Flames game until they require proof of vaccination from all attendees.

I’ve lived long enough to know that you can’t fix stupid. And that means I probably can’t stop anyone from endangering themselves and others by refusing a simple and virtually painless medical treatment that gives some protection against infection and substantial protection from serious illness.

But I can make sure I’m not stuck in a stadium with those people, breathing in their disgusting unvaccinated mouth vapors.

I would rather just watch the games on TV.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

I wish all these people who believed in the 99.9% survival rates had a place where they could go get Covid to prove us wrong. It would end the debate real quick I'm sure.

They will real soon. Flames games.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man, my hats off to those of you who have the patience to keep hammering on stupid over and over again.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Fireitup eats babies. Change my mind.

They can try, but they aren't gonna convince me.
I did my own research, and it comes straight from the horses mouth:

Originally Posted by FireItUp

I eat babies

[Cain]

Originally Posted by troutman

My hockey team is having the discussion as to whether we should all be double-vaccinated to participate. As team Captain I am receiving a wide range of opinions in confidence. I am somewhat surprised how much variation in attitudes there are. Some positions I disagree with personally, but there have been some reasonable points made all around.

I'd be interested in the reasonable points against it. I am clearly coming at this from a biased standpoint, but I cannot think of any myself.


I miss playing hockey and hanging out with my team, but I am unwilling to compromise on this issue and know that there would be people against it. Really sucks though.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Fireitup eats babies. Change my mind.

Not true.

I did some research and discovered that he leaves 98% of the baby un-eaten.

[Zulu29]

I legit haven’t heard any reasonable points against vaccination. Troutman is a very reasonable intelligent poster so I’m curious to see what his team mates examples were.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by theg69

I am so glad there are so many doctors on this forum. Honestly means I need to find a new profession because I will be out of a job soon. LOL

Thankfully there is enough humanity in me to still empathize with the covid denying patient who ultimately dies in his 60s in ICU as well as the idiotic son with MS who is still "debating" about vaccination.

Also, there are previously healthy young patients in their 20s and 30s that are struggling to get back to their previous level of fitness and activity post-COVID months after their infection - to the point of needing me to fill out disability forms because they are unable to work (no history of absenteeism or issues prior to the infection). So giving me mortality rates mean nothing - morbidity rates would be more useful.

This forum just proves how tiring people are. Live a day in the shoes of health professionals honestly and understand that we are getting fatigued. I know it is literally impossible to change the mind of people who feel they have things figured out. Although I do find it hilarious that people who distrust evidence based medicine and doctors end up trusting idiots who usually have no medical background. Seriously, I am not going to a plumber to fix my car.

Again, no point arguing with people who have their mind set - as I have seen, there are literally people dying of COVID who refuse to believe that COVID is killing them. I try to convince people on the fence to vaccinate but if they give me the tone of a few of these posters here, I don't even bother.

Going off topic I know, but I figure it would help if someone who has actually dealt with patients who have gotten sick can give an opinion.

The arguing is silly, but I do appreciate those who instantly debunk erroneous "facts" presented by these yahoos. It's best to not add to the spread of disinformation by snuffing it out quickly in these forums, lest someone on the fence starts to actually believe it.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

This guy gets it.
I mean, it's a shame that he's the only one that understands this and is the one that has to explain it to the rest of you dumb dumbs, you know, on account of the fact that he eats babies, (in fact, there's a non-zero chance he is in fact famed baby eater Marek Zidlicky).

Don't deny it FireItUp.
The clear truth is, there is still a lot of debate about whether or not you eat babies.
I mean, hear I am talking about you eating babies, if there wasn't any debate that you, FireItUp, ate babies, would I be here talking about it?
Of course not.

So clearly the jury is still out on whether or not FireItUp eats babies.
In fact, it might explain why he doesn't want all those drug companies to use fetal cells.
If they stop doing that, more babies for him and, of course, Marek Zidlicky.

So based on the clear fact that there is still a lot of debate about this, I'm gonna stick with my gut and say that FireItUp does in fact eat babies, you know, because of all of the debate about it.

It has come to my attention that Marek Zidlicky does not in fact eat babies. My apologies to Marek and the rest of the Zidlicky family.
I did not mean to defame him in any way, especially in light of the fact that it is well known that Marek Zidlicky in fact eats kittens, NOT babies.
I regret any confusion this may have caused, I promise to do better in the future.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

It has come to my attention that Marek Zidlicky does not in fact eat babies. My apologies to Marek and the rest of the Zidlicky family.
I did not mean to defame him in any way, especially in light of the fact that it is well known that Marek Zidlicky in fact eats kittens, NOT babies.
I regret any confusion this may have caused, I promise to do better in the future.

You forgot “if I offended anyone”.