[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Difference is nobody has ever been asked for their flu shot passport to attend events or participate in normal society.

Flu = 1 - 1 transmission
Covid = 1 - 8 transmission (Delta)

Covid is 5 X more deadly and 400 X more likely for long lasting health problems than the Flu.

People can stick their heads in the sand but in the end it's just simple exponential math

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by UKflames

You mean like now?

So is This Post is Terrible on vacation?

[Royle9]

I never knew how many anti-vaxers were part of the CPUCK community!

Here's to hoping they'll be refused entry to the Flames Games when Calgary finally nuts up and follows suit with mandatory vaccination rules.

Then perhaps they'll find a new forum to blast their non factual, non statistical BS propaganda/agenda.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

What difference does that make if it’s 8 months or a year?

The point is it’s not a one time thing. People take flu shot every year, I can see will have to do the same for COVID

The only argument is COVID is new so not everything is known but I am not surprised with the call for the booster.

There is just such a massive difference between the annual flu and the current pandemic I can't believe people are still using this argument.

No one is surprised that a booster is required. A booster after eight months with reports from the CDC saying vaccine effectiveness is dropping at a worrying rate is a little disconcerting.

Three shots within eight months. What other vaccine requires this? Goes to show the battle is far from over and being vaccinated isn't a "phew it's over" type of event.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...r-shots-505637

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There is just such a massive difference between the annual flu and the current pandemic I can't believe people are still using this argument.

No one is surprised that a booster is required. A booster after eight months with reports from the CDC saying vaccine effectiveness is dropping at a worrying rate is a little disconcerting.

Three shots within eight months. What other vaccine requires this? Goes to show the battle is far from over and being vaccinated isn't a "phew it's over" type of event.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...r-shots-505637

I am not comparing flu and COVID, just said we need to retake flu shot so it’s not a surprise that we have to take COVID shot again. I am not even debating the effectiveness of COVID vaccine.

Is that so hard to understand.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not comparing flu and COVID, just said we need to retake flu shot so it’s not a surprise that we have to take COVID shot again. I am not even debating the effectiveness of COVID vaccine.

Is that so hard to understand.

I think people were reacting more to the post by UKflames that suggested that COVID-19 today is no more deadly than the flu.

[Macindoc]

For those who think that COVID-19 is no different from the flu, have a look at this article.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...vid-pandemic1/

[Skyceman]

Originally Posted by getbak

I think this will be the issue that ultimately puts them over the edge into requiring it...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1427714020908412934

Wow a doctor. That says alot. Can someone find out their political affiliation so I know whether to trust this.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not comparing flu and COVID, just said we need to retake flu shot so it’s not a surprise that we have to take COVID shot again. I am not even debating the effectiveness of COVID vaccine.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's not a given that it should be expected. Covid isn't influenza, it's a coronavirus. That's why no one was sure if we'd need yearly boosters or not.

[PepsiFree]

Weird that the anti-vaxxers all seem to have taken the last 5 days off and 3 of them pop up unprompted today.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's not a given that it should be expected. Covid isn't influenza, it's a coronavirus. That's why no one was sure if we'd need yearly boosters or not.

I think his only point is that there’s precedent for needing constant and repeated vaccinations for something, so this one aspect isn’t entirely new territory.

[Fuzz]

Yes, some vaccines need boosters, but many are in the 5-10 year range. And the flu vaccine is mostly about getting a match for this year's strain, so it's not the greatest comparison.

[PepsiFree]

I don’t think it was ever intended to be a comparison.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

Wow a doctor. That says alot. Can someone find out their political affiliation so I know whether to trust this.

You don't have to be a doctor to realize that organizations are going to be worried about liability.

[Monahammer]

Obligatory not a Doctor and what I'm typing is very simplified.

The idea of more boosters required for an MRNA style vaccine makes sense to me, intuitively. We know the MRNA vaccines are conferring information about specific parts of the virus (in this case, the spike protein it uses to enter cells) to immune cells. This gives it additional effectiveness in combatting that exact part of the virus. But if the virus is one that mutates quickly, and it mutates in the part of the virus that the MRNA vaccine targeted, maybe your immune system would benefit from some additional instructions. This could also help to explain why AZ+an MRNA vaccine seems to be the most effective combo thus far, your immune system is getting trained in two ways.

As we know that delta variant does have a mutated spike protein it kind of makes sense why the vaccine would become slightly less effective at helping our immune system stop it.

All the data shows that in spite of this the MRNA vaccines absolutely seem to continue to protect people from severe impacts of COVID, even when "breakthrough" infections happen.
Now there may be something to say here in the strategy of what vaccines should be sought after for specific attributes in viruses (i.e. maybe MRNA vaccines are going to be amazing for hard to target viruses with less quick mutations like HIV, but are not as well suited for quickly adapting viruses in a pandemic situation.) But I am not qualified to make actual analysis of that at all.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think it was ever intended to be a comparison.

A precedent is inherently a comparison... the point of a precedent is to say, "we have experience with this other, similar thing that we can draw experience from". Fuzz is saying you can't really draw much from it. Regardless, I'm in for a booster. Can't hurt.

As for these vaccine passport requirements, won't this need to be delayed until that policy has actually been implemented? We might not actually get the passports until later this fall. I honestly have no idea where my initial vaccine record went.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Obligatory not a Doctor and what I'm typing is very simplified.

The idea of more boosters required for an MRNA style vaccine makes sense to me, intuitively. We know the MRNA vaccines are conferring information about specific parts of the virus (in this case, the spike protein it uses to enter cells) to immune cells. This gives it additional effectiveness in combatting that exact part of the virus. But if the virus is one that mutates quickly, and it mutates in the part of the virus that the MRNA vaccine targeted, maybe your immune system would benefit from some additional instructions. This could also help to explain why AZ+an MRNA vaccine seems to be the most effective combo thus far, your immune system is getting trained in two ways.

As we know that delta variant does have a mutated spike protein it kind of makes sense why the vaccine would become slightly less effective at helping our immune system stop it.

All the data shows that in spite of this the MRNA vaccines absolutely seem to continue to protect people from severe impacts of COVID, even when "breakthrough" infections happen.
Now there may be something to say here in the strategy of what vaccines should be sought after for specific attributes in viruses (i.e. maybe MRNA vaccines are going to be amazing for hard to target viruses with less quick mutations like HIV, but are not as well suited for quickly adapting viruses in a pandemic situation.) But I am not qualified to make actual analysis of that at all.

Have they said anything about a booster targeting mutations? All I've heard gives the impression it's just a third dose of the original.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Weird that the anti-vaxxers all seem to have taken the last 5 days off and 3 of them pop up unprompted today.

Ummm, are you referring to me as one of those posters? If my comment came off that way, it was unintentional.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Weird that the anti-vaxxers all seem to have taken the last 5 days off and 3 of them pop up unprompted today.

Wierd that the Covid cult is so strong in the countries that are supposed to be so easy going (I guess your statement works both ways)


AND to be clear my position is not coming from that of an Anti Vaxxer (why everyone who questions the government/msm narrative is called an anti vaxxer is beyond me) I worked in the travel industry and have probably had more shots than most on here.


I have done my research, listened and read from many different experts (not the twitter type that I am sure you will accuse me of), looked at how different countries have approached this. Shaming and excluding those that choose not to have the jab, for whatever reason, making them out to be some sort of super spreader is right out of the 1930's propoganda strategy book, uncomfortable for some of you to admit, but true.


I guess I had better stay out of here because I don't follow the crowd.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by UKflames

I have done my research, listened and read from many different experts (not the twitter type that I am sure you will accuse me of), looked at how different countries have approached this. Shaming and excluding those that choose not to have the jab, for whatever reason, making them out to be some sort of super spreader is right out of the 1930's propoganda strategy book, uncomfortable for some of you to admit, but true.


I guess I had better stay out of here because I don't follow the crowd.

I guess the actual weird thing is how highly you trust your research on virology/epidemiology as someone in the travel industry over the vast majority of experts that actually work in the relevant field.