[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Getting vaccinated is a no brainer. Everyone should.

But with the way cases are exploding. I'm not so sure mass indoor events are going to be a good idea, even with vaccination and testing.

Some smart people are saying this surge is about to hit a peak and I desperately hope they're right. But if your goal is to avoid Covid, I wouldn't go to a hockey game with 18,000 people right now, all vaccinated or not.

Then the next question is whether having a shot within "x" months will be the requirement.

This f***ing Covid.

Totally agree. I’m not sure I’m comfortable going to games even if the Flames require proof of vaccination.

And you have to expect that policy or not there are going to be several unvaccinated people that slip through the cracks and wind up in the building.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This f***ing Covid.

Sums up my thoughts and feelings pretty succinctly, thank you.

[getbak]

I think this will be the issue that ultimately puts them over the edge into requiring it...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1427714020908412934


There isn't only the legal liability issue, but also the negative social consequences if there's an outbreak and people can point fingers and say "my Grandma is dead because she went to a Flames game and sat beside someone who wasn't vaccinated but was infected." If they require people to be vaccinated and someone still gets sick, they can at least say they did the best they could.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by getbak

I think this will be the issue that ultimately puts them over the edge into requiring it...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1427714020908412934


There isn't only the legal liability issue, but also the negative social consequences if there's an outbreak and people can point fingers and say "my Grandma is dead because she went to a Flames game and sat beside someone who wasn't vaccinated but was infected." If they require people to be vaccinated and someone still gets sick, they can at least say they did the best they could.

I don't know about the "best they could". A vaccination requirement is one arrow in the quiver, it's not everything. There's reduced capacity, mandatory masks, no beverage and food consumption etc.

Of course these impact the bottom line and the fan experience.

IMO the point of doing everything is long in the rearview mirror. What risk are people willing to assume and what experience do they want are the questions. That's a question for Grandma too before she goes to a game.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

If letting people in with no restrictions will be the most profitable you can bet that’s what they’ll do.

They should also factor in the risk of the Province stepping in and imposing restrictions on large indoor events. I think there is little chance Kenney will impose wide-spread restrictions, but if anything does happen I have to believe that indoor events with thousands of people attending will be the first to go.

I suppose you could simply wait for it to happen, but it's less likely that the Province will intervene in the first place if you already have a protocol like Winnipeg or Toronto.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't know about the "best they could". A vaccination requirement is one arrow in the quiver, it's not everything. There's reduced capacity, mandatory masks, no beverage and food consumption etc.

Of course these impact the bottom line and the fan experience.

IMO the point of doing everything is long in the rearview mirror. What risk are people willing to assume and what experience do they want are the questions. That's a question for Grandma too before she goes to a game.

If Granny dies, she dies.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Totally agree. I’m not sure I’m comfortable going to games even if the Flames require proof of vaccination.

And you have to expect that policy or not there are going to be several unvaccinated people that slip through the cracks and wind up in the building.

Honest question, just because I find myself pretty happy to side with caution and have a vaccine policy in place among other restrictions for the unvaccinated overall, but... what exactly would make you comfortable, at this rate?

I'm fully vaccinated. I have zero reservations about hanging out with vaccinated people, or in situations where I know 98%+ of people are vaccinated.

Sure, the Delta is a bit of a curveball, but protection is still a lot better than being unvaccinated across the board (to an extreme degree in terms of severe outcomes). Is it just making you nervous?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honest question, just because I find myself pretty happy to side with caution and have a vaccine policy in place among other restrictions for the unvaccinated overall, but... what exactly would make you comfortable, at this rate?

I'm fully vaccinated. I have zero reservations about hanging out with vaccinated people, or in situations where I know 98%+ of people are vaccinated.

Sure, the Delta is a bit of a curveball, but protection is still a lot better than being unvaccinated across the board (to an extreme degree in terms of severe outcomes). Is it just making you nervous?

Agree with you. I think I would wear a mask to the games.

I guess I’m sensitive with two friends having just contracted Covid and getting sick notwithstanding they were fully vaccinated.

Here’s a good article from the Washington Post that just landed on breakthrough infections and the delta variant.

https://apple.news/AuVq1FVYQSqe13iJbAuuolg

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

LV Raiders will require fans to be vaccinated. The more teams and more sports that do this the better
Sounds like the Raiders are the first team to do this in the NFL

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/us/la...ine/index.html

This tweet would read differently if the team was still based in Oakland.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1427498520513327131

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honest question, just because I find myself pretty happy to side with caution and have a vaccine policy in place among other restrictions for the unvaccinated overall, but... what exactly would make you comfortable, at this rate?

I'm fully vaccinated. I have zero reservations about hanging out with vaccinated people, or in situations where I know 98%+ of people are vaccinated.

Sure, the Delta is a bit of a curveball, but protection is still a lot better than being unvaccinated across the board (to an extreme degree in terms of severe outcomes). Is it just making you nervous?

Delta might be more than a bit of a curveball. And I have little confidence it’s the only or most lethal variant we’ll see. Vaccination is way better than no vaccination but it seems obvious that effectiveness wanes over time. And not the same for each vaccine. I’ve been vaccinated for six months and I felt like you for much of that time. Not so much anymore. The announcements of boosters after 8 months was a bit of a surprise and a harbinger I’m afraid.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Delta might be more than a bit of a curveball. And I have little confidence it’s the only or most lethal variant we’ll see. Vaccination is way better than no vaccination but it seems obvious that effectiveness wanes over time. And not the same for each vaccine. I’ve been vaccinated for six months and I felt like you for much of that time. Not so much anymore. The announcements of boosters after 8 months was a bit of a surprise and a harbinger I’m afraid.

We have to get flu shot every year so I am not surprise that we have to take another COVID shot

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

We have to get flu shot every year so I am not surprise that we have to take another COVID shot

You don’t get a flu shot every 8 months.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You don’t get a flu shot every 8 months.

What difference does that make if it’s 8 months or a year?

The point is it’s not a one time thing. People take flu shot every year, I can see will have to do the same for COVID

The only argument is COVID is new so not everything is known but I am not surprised with the call for the booster.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If Granny dies, she dies.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

What difference does that make if it’s 8 months or a year?

The point is it’s not a one time thing. People take flu shot every year, I can see will have to do the same for COVID

The only argument is COVID is new so not everything is known but I am not surprised with the call for the booster.

There is no doubt that the number of people vaccinated will drop with every passing year. Especially if it is required more frequently than every year.

Not sure how arenas will deal with this in the future, I suppose it all depends on how “deadly “ covid is that year.

Hopefully there comes a time when covid is no more deadly that the flu, and it won’t matter anymore.

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

What difference does that make if it’s 8 months or a year?

The point is it’s not a one time thing. People take flu shot every year, I can see will have to do the same for COVID

The only argument is COVID is new so not everything is known but I am not surprised with the call for the booster.

Difference is nobody has ever been asked for their flu shot passport to attend events or participate in normal society.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

There is no doubt that the number of people vaccinated will drop with every passing year. Especially if it is required more frequently than every year.

Not sure how arenas will deal with this in the future, I suppose it all depends on how “deadly “ covid is that year.

Hopefully there comes a time when covid is no more deadly that the flu, and it won’t matter anymore.

You mean like now?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by UKflames

You mean like now?

Citation needed.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by UKflames

You mean like now?

There’s been 30 pages of debate that addressed dumb statements like this. Go back and read those posts. I’d rather just tune into any news about updates on vaccination policies in pro sports.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by UKflames

You mean like now?

It's already been well established its much more deadlier than the flu and much more infectious. With just a little research. Don't take my word for it tho . I'll re-post it anyways

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

God I always hate this argument.

1 . It's not 8000 to 10000 people who die from the flu. It's 2000- 8000 but that's a wide guess as they don't track the numbers that closely. Example. 2002 to 2008 there was only 300 flu deaths.

2. Covid 19 was closer to 20,000 deaths in 2020. Effectively doubling the death rate of the flu + pneumonia.

3. When someone's argument is It's just the flu! Then fine . Then think of it as the flu and that it's now it's death rate and severe sickness as grown 100% to 150% . Anytime any disease rate doubles with more severe effects that's a concern .

Vaccines are they way fore ward to controlling it.

Do you know why lead isn't used in gasoline anymore? They found it was damaging people's heath and mental facilities from the burning of it into the air so governments banned it for the health and safety of everyone. Asking people to be vaccinated is no different I reality.