Now please tell me another vaccine that has had this amount of side effects or caused death counts like this in the last 20 years? 50 years? 100 years?
Vaccines that came out to fight diseases with survival rates from 70-80 percent max, not 99.7.
Myocarditis and blood clots are a bit more severe than a sore arm.
I would love nothing more than to be completely wrong at the end of all this and that our governments are doing all of this for our best interests and not a control mechanism where the ones that do what they say are rewarded and the ones that question their decisions are punished.
Has there ever been an illness more politicized ever? Has there been one so hotly debated or media driven?
Do you all think everything the governments have done has been 100 percent about your health?
If I am wrong I will adamantly apologize and take the jab once there is more time and data from the longer term affects of it and to show that it’s sole mission was to protect the population and healthcare system.
If I am right then I will still not be happy about all this, but unfortunately will be too late for most and quality of life will be diminished.
I am a true believer that everything happens for a reason and if I get covid and die because in most of your minds I was stupid, so be it, I’ll be gone along with others who share my way of medical choice and you can carry on going to fully vaccinated venues. If you die because there ends up being long term side effects unknown at the time of injections then there had to be a reason and I will never feel good about it as have close friends and family who have gotten it and those pushing it now would likely get off scott free. I truly hope everything ends up good for both sides of this medical choice and will respect everyone just as I have my entire life and hopefully get some in return.
On what basis are you deciding that the known and unknown risks of Covid are less than the known and unknown risks of a vaccine. Have you ever tried putting the numbers down on paper and calculating it out using your best sources of evidence.
If you truly believe that everything happens for a reason doesn’t that make choosing to get Covid or choosing to get the vaccine equally valuable to you. Essentially you are saying that your choice doesn’t matter.
Hahaha I bet this ####er will be exactly JackisBack here on CP. Gets the vaccine but still spews nonstop bull#### telling others not to. Absolutely hilarious
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“Building immune systems” is sketchy as hell. There’s not much that’s proven to do so. And it takes time anyway. And treatments are after the fact - prevention is better. Treatment has a lower success rate than vax anyway.
I mean, why stop there. Just go full Darwin and let it be a free for all for survival of the fittest. Let nature take its course. Why even bother with modern medicine at this point.
I couldn't care less about these "Karens" who are pissed, and don't respect people who tell others what to do with their body. The media, government, and vaxed all forget to realize that our bodies have an immune system which has over a 99% chance of beating Covid without any treatment. It's completely natural and works wonders. I believe in eating well, exercising, and taking vitamins to boost my immune system. These are the things rarely talked about from the media, government, or people who've gotten the jab, yet it's the most important thing to do. Instead, all we hear is put a mask on, stay home, get the jab. In the end, we all have "one" body in our lifetime and no one has the right to tell others what they should and shouldn't put in their bodies.
This is so categorically false I can't believe you even said it. In the early days of the pandemic before we had any effective knowledge of what treatments worked, the CFR was nearly 4%. Now it's dropped quite a bit because doctors know what to do for most people.
Actually I can believe that you said it because it fits with your narrative, but it's disturbing that you actually believe it.
Lots of people end up needing treatment, and many end up in the hospital. WITH treatment, it may be survivable at the rate you quote, but it varies widely depending on age and underlying health conditions, so no, there's no way that number is correct. 99% survivability for ages under 60 may be true WITH a crazy amount of treatment, never without.
The problem with numbers is that if you give them the wrong context they become meaningless.
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One again, no one talks about building a stronger immune system or even better treatments. It's all about just getting the jab. If you are scared of Covid or at risk get the shot if you want, if your not scared or at risk, do what you want.
Categorically untrue.
Not only that, how about this?
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On what basis are you deciding that the known and unknown risks of Covid are less than the known and unknown risks of a vaccine. Have you ever tried putting the numbers down on paper and calculating it out using your best sources of evidence.
If you truly believe that everything happens for a reason doesn’t that make choosing to get Covid or choosing to get the vaccine equally valuable to you. Essentially you are saying that your choice doesn’t matter.
I guess I’m basing it on the fact that I know at least 10 people who have got covid(myself and my wife included) and recovered fully from it with zero issues other than lost time off work and school. I know of one person in my community that passed from covid but he also smoked, drank and did hard drugs most of his life and any illness would have been hard on his system. The cure for covid was stay home and isolate and very few required treatment further than how they treat themselves going through a regular flu. I know of at least two people that took the shot and developed blood clots and died from the vaccine.
If I don’t take the vaccine I have zero percent chance at the side effects from it. If I do then I may or may not minimize my chances of covid(which is not fearful in my opinion) but also open up a new can of worms.
I may be wrong or I may be right. I guess I’m basing it off personal experience as much as possible and feeling that natural immunity has zero side effects and also reduces the chance of reinfection and transmission, but will not let one into a hockey game like vaccine immunity.
What calculations did you use to make your medical decisions?
Still possible but extremely reduced.
Does that not matter to you? Are you looking for 100% elimation of spread or no bother reducing spread at all?
What if it's a 99% reduction, 90%, 80%?
What's the magic number where it would be worthwhile to get the vaccine and reduce infections across society?
Honest question as I can't understand this position.
I don't think there really is a magic number but I'm just trying to point out that the vaccine is not our golden ticket to safety and security. It definitely helps reduce the risk amongst the vaccinated and general population but it doesn't mean that we are in the clear. I see people saying things along the lines of getting vaccinated so that they can protect their immunocompromised friends or family during visits and I'm not always sure if they are aware that they can still pick up the virus and spread it.
Obviously I would love it if the vaccine fully protected us against infection so that we can completely relax and let down our guards. I'm honestly beginning to become quite concerned about the ongoing ability of the vaccines to limit infection and spread. I'm not concerned about the effectiveness to provide protection against hospitalization but I'm worried that governments might overreact to growing case numbers and start implementing restrictive measures again.
I guess I’m basing it on the fact that I know at least 10 people who have got covid(myself and my wife included) and recovered fully from it with zero issues other than lost time off work and school. I know of one person in my community that passed from covid but he also smoked, drank and did hard drugs most of his life and any illness would have been hard on his system. The cure for covid was stay home and isolate and very few required treatment further than how they treat themselves going through a regular flu. I know of at least two people that took the shot and developed blood clots and died from the vaccine.
If I don’t take the vaccine I have zero percent chance at the side effects from it. If I do then I may or may not minimize my chances of covid(which is not fearful in my opinion) but also open up a new can of worms.
I may be wrong or I may be right. I guess I’m basing it off personal experience as much as possible and feeling that natural immunity has zero side effects and also reduces the chance of reinfection and transmission, but will not let one into a hockey game like vaccine immunity.
What calculations did you use to make your medical decisions?
So you know 2 of the 3 Canadians that died of VITT from Astra Zeneca? What are the odds !!
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Interesting that the NHL is requiring anyone with close contact to the teams to be vaccinated but it won't, or at least it hasn't yet, mandated that players have to be vaccinated.
I don't think there really is a magic number but I'm just trying to point out that the vaccine is not our golden ticket to safety and security. It definitely helps reduce the risk amongst the vaccinated and general population but it doesn't mean that we are in the clear. I see people saying things along the lines of getting vaccinated so that they can protect their immunocompromised friends or family during visits and I'm not always sure if they are aware that they can still pick up the virus and spread it.
Obviously I would love it if the vaccine fully protected us against infection so that we can completely relax and let down our guards. I'm honestly beginning to become quite concerned about the ongoing ability of the vaccines to limit infection and spread. I'm not concerned about the effectiveness to provide protection against hospitalization but I'm worried that governments might overreact to growing case numbers and start implementing restrictive measures again.
I think that's fair to point out, but you have to acknowledge that it's the closest thing we have to a golden ticket and and light years better than an unvaccinted population.
We are stuck with a terrible virus that doesn't have a 100% golden ticket cure.
That shouldn't stop society from taking the silver ticket that can save tens of thousands of lives, while also reducing strain on the medical system, allowing people to see doctors for other important purposes and reducing the spread to those who can't get vaccinated or are high risk.
I'm sure these people would rather a high percentage reduction in their risk vs no efforts at all.
And I agree restrictive measures are likely likely come back, which wouldn't be the case if people took the silver ticket and stayed out of the hospital.
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Did you get your friends mixed up? Is that why you thought the first friend died two days after receiving the shot and it was 10 days?
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It's amazing how people with no expertise and no experience in the medical field whatsoever can speak with such certainty.
Show me your certification then we can talk percentages and how covid affects the body.
A part of being intelligent is recognizing what information is educated/reliable and which isn't. If you can take your anti-vaxxer neighbour's word that he heard from a supposed ex-doctor on an obscure YouTube channel over scientists that have devoted thousands of hours towards understanding these diseases and are working in that area presently then we have bigger problems.
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I guess I’m basing it on the fact that I know at least 10 people who have got covid(myself and my wife included) and recovered fully from it with zero issues other than lost time off work and school. I know of one person in my community that passed from covid but he also smoked, drank and did hard drugs most of his life and any illness would have been hard on his system. The cure for covid was stay home and isolate and very few required treatment further than how they treat themselves going through a regular flu. I know of at least two people that took the shot and developed blood clots and died from the vaccine.
If I don’t take the vaccine I have zero percent chance at the side effects from it. If I do then I may or may not minimize my chances of covid(which is not fearful in my opinion) but also open up a new can of worms.
I may be wrong or I may be right. I guess I’m basing it off personal experience as much as possible and feeling that natural immunity has zero side effects and also reduces the chance of reinfection and transmission, but will not let one into a hockey game like vaccine immunity.
What calculations did you use to make your medical decisions?
If you don't take it, 100% chance you don't get side effects from it - true - but rather than basing it on the experience of you and a dozen others you know - use a larger sample size. If you want to use numbers to make the decision for you:
As of August 6 - 50.25 million doses given in Canada and 3063 serious adverse affects (0.006%).
Don't take it - 100% chance of no serious side effects
Take it - 99.994% chance of no serious side effects.
Want to include all side effects, including serious and non-serious... it's 0.018%. Still pretty good odds compared to the 1.84% death rate from Covid in Canada.
