[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

You can still catch Covid and spread it if you're vaccinated.

The entire science community when they see posts like this:

Spoiler!

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

You can still catch Covid and spread it if you're vaccinated.

Yes, and again: risk of transmission is drastically reduced through vaccination.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

You can still catch Covid and spread it if you're vaccinated.

What happened to smallpox again?

[djsFlames]

You can also get a concussion wearing a helmet, and yet most will opt for the helmet.

[Southside]

So is this going to be a hot potato or non issue for the Flames? Opinion on this board seems to be firmly with a vaccine policy.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Southside

So is this going to be a hot potato or non issue for the Flames? Opinion on this board seems to be firmly with a vaccine policy.

I think it's wise for the Flames to wait until this wave really gets going, and public sentiment really turns on the antivaxxers.

After all, in Alberta the provincial government not that long ago said it was basically over and not to worry - when reality comes crashing down, it'll be much easier for the Flames to just say "Yeah, duh, gotta be vaccinated to come in... just look around."

Safe to say I think it's a foregone conclusion that you will never attend a Flames game without having proof of vaccination.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Tell that to a friend of mine that got the jab and died two days later. She was single mother who now has a daughter without a mother.

Because I'm sure there were no other underlying health issues whatsoever.

Did you look into an autopsy before drawing your conclusion? Or was it just a convenient, validating conclusion at the time to make.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Tell that to a friend of mine that got the jab and died two days later. She was single mother who now has a daughter without a mother.

Sorry to hear that. Though, given that the chances of dying due to the vaccine have statistically been shown as significantly lower than the chances of dying due to COVID... which you said was nothing to worry about... I'm not sure of your point?

Again, don't want the vaccine, don't get it. But don't expect anyone to cater to you or that your choices won't have consequences. That's life.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Tell that to a friend of mine that got the jab and died two days later. She was single mother who now has a daughter without a mother.

I call Shenanigans.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Tell that to a friend of mine that got the jab and died two days later. She was single mother who now has a daughter without a mother.

anecdotal evidence vs 4.6 billion covid vaccine doses given

[Knut]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread though. Currently it appears that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing serious outcomes but infection and spread in vaccinated people is still possible. Peak viral load in infected people seems to be the same regardless of whether someone is vaccinated or not but vaccinated people are infectious/spreading for a shorter period of time.

For the first few days and then it wanes much quicker in the vaccinated. So there is less time for spread.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

You can still catch Covid and spread it if you're vaccinated.

Oh also,

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ed-people.html

A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1253275v1.full

Vaccination of health care workers was associated with a substantial reduction in COVID-19 cases in household contacts consistent with an effect of vaccination on transmission

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Knut

I call Shenanigans.

It's possible his friend died of a blood clot. There was a local mother that died a couple days after her shot.

And while tragic- doesn't really make his point that much more valid.

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Yeah bro can ya, you now answer this please.

I said please to appease your concerns regarding politeness.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Now please tell me another vaccine that has had this amount of side effects or caused death counts like this in the last 20 years? 50 years? 100 years?
Vaccines that came out to fight diseases with survival rates from 70-80 percent max, not 99.7.

Myocarditis and blood clots are a bit more severe than a sore arm.

I would love nothing more than to be completely wrong at the end of all this and that our governments are doing all of this for our best interests and not a control mechanism where the ones that do what they say are rewarded and the ones that question their decisions are punished.

Has there ever been an illness more politicized ever? Has there been one so hotly debated or media driven?
Do you all think everything the governments have done has been 100 percent about your health?

If I am wrong I will adamantly apologize and take the jab once there is more time and data from the longer term affects of it and to show that it’s sole mission was to protect the population and healthcare system.

If I am right then I will still not be happy about all this, but unfortunately will be too late for most and quality of life will be diminished.

I am a true believer that everything happens for a reason and if I get covid and die because in most of your minds I was stupid, so be it, I’ll be gone along with others who share my way of medical choice and you can carry on going to fully vaccinated venues. If you die because there ends up being long term side effects unknown at the time of injections then there had to be a reason and I will never feel good about it as have close friends and family who have gotten it and those pushing it now would likely get off scott free. I truly hope everything ends up good for both sides of this medical choice and will respect everyone just as I have my entire life and hopefully get some in return.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread though. Currently it appears that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing serious outcomes but infection and spread in vaccinated people is still possible. Peak viral load in infected people seems to be the same regardless of whether someone is vaccinated or not but vaccinated people are infectious/spreading for a shorter period of time.

I think that there has been an attempt to delineate the difference between people who are true 'anti-vaxxers' and those who are dealing with immune deficiencies or issues preventing them from taking the vaccine.

There is also a divide between the vaccinated group who understands what the vaccine is, what it does, and the changing nature of it's effectiveness in the real world (Delta, ect) : and beings who have been imbued with magic powers because they 'got the jab'.

I think that it's our job as the forefront of Canadian culture (CP), to find a simple name for the two groups (of the four) without one.

What do we call the at risk group, to separate from anti-vaxxers?
What do we call the superman group, to separate from vaccinated?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Now please tell me another vaccine that has had this amount of side effects or caused death counts like this in the last 20 years? 50 years? 100 years?
Vaccines that came out to fight diseases with survival rates from 70-80 percent max, not 99.7.

Myocarditis and blood clots are a bit more severe than a sore arm.

I would love nothing more than to be completely wrong at the end of all this and that our governments are doing all of this for our best interests and not a control mechanism where the ones that do what they say are rewarded and the ones that question their decisions are punished.

Has there ever been an illness more politicized ever? Has there been one so hotly debated or media driven?
Do you all think everything the governments have done has been 100 percent about your health?

If I am wrong I will adamantly apologize and take the jab once there is more time and data from the longer term affects of it and to show that it’s sole mission was to protect the population and healthcare system.

If I am right then I will still not be happy about all this, but unfortunately will be too late for most and quality of life will be diminished.

I am a true believer that everything happens for a reason and if I get covid and die because in most of your minds I was stupid, so be it, I’ll be gone along with others who share my way of medical choice and you can carry on going to fully vaccinated venues. If you die because there ends up being long term side effects unknown at the time of injections then there had to be a reason and I will never feel good about it as have close friends and family who have gotten it and those pushing it now would likely get off scott free. I truly hope everything ends up good for both sides of this medical choice and will respect everyone just as I have my entire life and hopefully get some in return.

A few quotes from your article:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 351 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 9, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,631 reports of death (0.0019%)


Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 730 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis.


Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread though. Currently it appears that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing serious outcomes but infection and spread in vaccinated people is still possible. Peak viral load in infected people seems to be the same regardless of whether someone is vaccinated or not but vaccinated people are infectious/spreading for a shorter period of time.

It does prevent infection.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Knut

I call Shenanigans.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...eath-1.6015535

[Muta]

I get the vaccine because very incredibly smart, incredibly educated professionals who have way more knowledge, and accolades in this subject, based on years (if not decades) of testing and building vaccines in specialized labs, have said that the vaccine is safe to take and are taking them themselves - as are other incredibly smart and educated heath care professionals and scientific researchers.

"I DoN't TaKe ThE VacCiNe BeCaUsE It IsN't SaFe" - random freedom patriot who has never worked in science or health care

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...eath-1.6015535

In a statement, Hinshaw said the risk of COVID-19 is far greater than the risk of VITT.

She said Albertans ages 50 to 59 diagnosed with COVID-19 are 350 times more likely to die from that infection than to experience VITT after an AstraZeneca vaccine.