[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CSharp

I'm correlating the COVID spread with the conspiracy channels on the web:
2-Chan, 4-Chan, 8-Chan, 16-Chan, 32-Chan, 64-Chan, 128-Chan...

The conspiracies of COVID and vaccines gets deeper and deeper for those who like the different conspiracy channels!

The trouble with the Chans is they're only doubling at R2 and can't keep up with truth about COVID as some studies suggest the Delta variant of COVID's R is as high as R8.

[FanIn80]

I like these threads. They always help me figure out who the wackos are.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

for I'm immune

You aren't.

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

they don't effect me.

They do.

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

What a dumb argument.... think about it.

Yes.

I won't belabor the point as many have already noted that you have plenty of faulty assumptions and science in your post. I would encourage you to actually read some other sources with an open mind. If you truly think this is similar to Nazi Germany then you may want to check where you are getting your information from.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

First off.... you assume that I haven't been vaccinated because I'm arguing the other side.... you should check your assumptions... and segregating people is still segregation no matter how you justify it - it's WRONG.



Do you really think Nazi Germany was good one moment and bad the next... or was it a gradually process where the Germany government and people justified their reasoning each step down the slippery slope.


You have to judge people in the time when they lived.... for example: people actually believed that by cross breeding with some undesirable race, that you would dummy down your (or the human) race.... it's laughable now. What is laughable is that we all think that this poisonous line of thinking wouldn't poison my way of thinking, I'm too good for that, but it was rare for people to stand up against the crowd and I doubt many here including me would be so brave (you don't truly know).



So I'm standing up... I'm vaccinated.... but I think it's WRONG to segregate those that haven't been. They don't effect my decision at all.... if I believe the vaccinations work... than it doesn't matter if the person next to me hasn't been... for I'm immune, they don't effect me. If I believe they don't work... then it doesn't matter if they've been vaccinated or not.... it doesn't matter at all. What a dumb argument.... think about it.

Never assumed you weren't vaccinated since you already said you were before I made a comment. That's cuz I read posts throughly before responding.


Being vaccinated or not doesn't stop people from using "BUT NAZIS!"

It's honestly a slap in the face to anyone and there families who went through that . There's nothing similar honestly. No ones trying to round you up and exterminate you. Those people had there lives taken away. No ones trying to stop you from doing a damn thing . Your choosing your own path.

I can't drive because I choose never to get my license when it first expired in my early 20s. That was my choice. it was a privilege I gave up. If I drive and get caught I have to face the consequences of that.

From what I have seen implemented with vaccine passports is nothing deemed essential like going to the grocery stores etc have been included. It seems just all extra curricular non essentials are required .

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Letting people safely congregating away from conspiracy theorists antivaxxers is just like racist segregation.

Check your assumptions.... it's called Liberal values.... you know Liberty... or Choice.... or my body my choice. I am vaccinated - so some "antivaxxer" I am... I just don't believe is ramming down my beliefs on someone else by requiring them to jump through my hoops or by being injected with something that could be harmful to them, I'm not their doctor.



We are already going down the segregation road.... critical race theory being taught every where - but don't worry, this time it's being done for a good reason.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1900918.html

[GioforPM]

My drivers licence has medical info on it. Apparently I have been prescribed glasses.

The passport people are talking about won’t have your “medical history” on it. It will have one item of medical info. That’s it.

MRNA vaccines are relatively new. But “relatively” means they have been being developed for 30-40 years.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

We are already going down the segregation road.... critical race theory being taught every where - but don't worry, this time it's being done for a good reason.

Thank you for showing your true colours.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

My drivers licence has medical info on it. Apparently I have been prescribed glasses.

The passport people are talking about won’t have your “medical history” on it. It will have one item of medical info. That’s it.

MRNA vaccines are relatively new. But “relatively” means they have been being developed for 30-40 years.

Yep, before I had decided not to renew my license I also was not allowed to drive without my glasses.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

We are already going down the segregation road.... critical race theory being taught every where - but don't worry, this time it's being done for a good reason.

There it is.

[Infinit47]

Not sure which is a worse take. Schremp and his 600 goals and 1300 points or people in this thread who think vaccines are some kind of evil government overstep on freedom.

[Point Blank]

There’s no damn slippery slope here. Vaccinate and live your life in a society governed by laws that keep citizens safe. Don’t vaccinate and don’t enjoy certain things that will harm other people as a direct consequence of your choice. Freedom doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

If some of you could experience life in a country actually run by tyrants maybe you will see how silly you really are.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Yep, before I had decided not to renew my license I also was not allowed to drive without my glasses.

I also had to carry a card saying I had laser surgery as well, because my licence said glasses and I wasn’t wearing them any more.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I also had to carry a card saying I had laser surgery as well, because my licence said glasses and I wasn’t wearing them any more.

Oppression!! How dare they restrict your rights to travel!.

[ResAlien]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1333925405900886016

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

This is too funny.... I suggest people here go back and think about all the privacy laws that were passed... somehow someones medical history is OK when asking about this virus and their vaccination status (and having it in a passport is still asking and showing it). Now people here want to segregate society again, like we did in the USA before 1860 or between 1920 and 1965... or like Nazi Germany did in 1930 to 1945. It's funny because in Germany, the SS asked people to view their papers - is that what you want, to have to show papers again - to prove to someone your status. Count me OUT!


Now.... Can I ask you if you got your erectile dysfunction prescription filed, or when is you menstrual period, or if you're taking your schizophrenia medication too... because we are on a slippery slope here - and before you say that nonsensical, two years ago asking someone for a vaccination passport would be considered nonsensical, and if someone is off their schizophrenia medication, the could be dangerous - where do you draw the line.


What about people who can't take the vaccination under doctors orders. And if the vaccination works.... why do I (or you) care if someone has been vaccinated as long as I (you) have been - you can't have it all ways.... either the vaccines work and you shouldn't care, or they don't. The problem is the efficacy of the vaccines have been widely overstated and now we're just coming to that realization - and no matter if you believe it or not (I simply don't care) - facts are facts and you can't change that. Why are they talking about a third booster now?



The problem is that these COVID vaccinations don't work like other vaccines worked historically. Historically, vaccines were the shells of viruses or weakened viruses that were injected and created the same immune response in the host (you) that the virus did, but were weakened, so your immune system could beat it with little discomfort and you were now immune. The mRNA vaccines are new... a new technology that has largely failed in every trial before this one. The mRNA takes over your own cells functions where it's injected and has those cells produce proteins identical to the ones on the COVID19 virus (the spike proteins in this case - the proteins that create the little spikes on the outside of the virus), your bodies immune system then creates antigens to fight this fake virus infection. It's these spike proteins that create the blood clotting seen in recently vaccinated or COVID effected people.


The problems: If you happen to have COVID at the time of you vaccination - your body now has double (and by double I mean the two added together) the spike proteins, the ones created by the virus and the others created at the vaccination site or areas it's spread to (which was not suppose to happen - but does)... this can be an issue especially in younger people with highly active immune systems (I thankfully didn't have this issue).... then, add the second shot to that... I hope you get the point.


My point: Vaccine's are a choice.... since I've been vaccinated, why would I care about someone else if I believe they work, I'm immune. News flash: COVID is here to stay like the flu or common cold... we better get use to it, and most people are going to catch it now or in the future, you can't STOP IT no more then you can't stop getting the cold or flu, you may not want it, I know I don't, but there will be too many strains for the vaccines to catch. COVID has also been around for years - there are flu's (and colds) that are caused by COVID virus already - SARS was a COVID virus.

This guy decided to come in here and dump every single anti-vax argument down at once. He decided to skip niceties and went straight to (1) segregation (2) nazi germany. although he missed Communist Russia and China so overall 3/5.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Looch City

It's a pretty unique case to be both vaccinated AND fully into the crazy conspiracy theories/misinformation.

Good on you for the first bit I guess.

Must be a politician

[bdubbs]

I'm just happy I made it through this entire thread. It was rough, but I made it.

To stay on topic; I agree with the measures that the Jets are enacting and hope the Flames follow suit.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

and segregating people is still segregation no matter how you justify it - it's WRONG.

No, it isn't wrong. We segragate people in many areas of life; children are not allowed to consume alcohol, or consent to sex; to work certain professions, you need proper certification/credentials.

Are you against those as well?

They don't effect my decision at all.... if I believe the vaccinations work... than it doesn't matter if the person next to me hasn't been... for I'm immune, they don't effect me. If I believe they don't work... then it doesn't matter if they've been vaccinated or not.... it doesn't matter at all. What a dumb argument.... think about it.

What you fail to understand time and time again is how the vaccine functions. It doesn't make you totally immune, it's a matter of probability. And the probability of its effectiveness decreases when you are surrounded by unvaccinated people. Further, it puts in greater danger those who are not able to get the vaccine, ie: children. It puts a strain on the hospitals that we all share.

Let me provide you with an analogy that may illuminate this point more.

Imagine if you were against requiring a driver's licence to drive a vehicle on public roads. You could say something like "Why do I care if someone didn't take their test and passed it in order to obtain a license? I did it and I know how to drive, so why do I care?"

The reason you should care is because we share the road. There isn't one road for those who know how to drive and one for those who don't.

[MRCboicgy]

Thinking we might have to close this thread, start up a new one where we focus on the hockey (crazy! I know, in the FoI forum of all places) aspect of things. Maybe take the vaccine arguments to the vaccine thread?

Especially if Vancouver and other cities require the same - we can keep the talk track to the subject at hand.

I mean once Critical Race Theory was brought up, this thread jumped the shark even further...good lord.

[Knut]

It is really quite simple. Vaccines do slow spread snd do prevent unnecessary deaths. Look at the data from Ontario for the past 3 days. The unvaccinated carry a 8.7x relative risk increase vs the vaccinated. Check out the difference in ICU.