[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Macman

Like another poster said, overseas flights are one thing but doing it domestically at home here is another. I don't want to show my medical history/status to go to a hockey game or anywhere else for that matter.

What about right now with restrictions removed, how do you know who's vaccinated and who isn't especially if it's for organized activities or events.

I’m not talking flights and entering a country. In many EU countries you need a green pass to enter restaurants, shops, museums, local and regional transit, etc.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Macman

At this point I think I'm drawing the line at vaccine passports, I will follow people's rules if that's what they require for access but I wouldn't prove to them that I'm vaccinated cause it's none of their business.

So why aren't vaccine passports currently required for air travel then? They just ask you and that's it.

This is the exact reason why they end up needing passports. Can't trust anyone to tell the truth.

Have you been vaccinated "why yes sir I have", ok can you prove it by showing your vaccination passport "you have no right to ask me for my personal information".

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Macman

I don't want to show my medical history/status to go to a hockey game or anywhere else for that matter.

Then don't. Watch the game from the comfort of your home with the rest of the unvaccinated crowd.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

It’s right on the cdc website.
Of course their first line is that they are safe and effective but all the numbers are there. They put them in cases per million so it doesn’t look as bad but not hard to find how many million vaccines administered and times it by that number. Then compare that number to the adverse reactions to other vaccines over the past 20 years. There are huge numbers of people who have had adverse reactions.
Again if anyone feels the way they do I support them either way, but I don’t think people should be segregated if the risk feels higher than the reward for them and society.

The post the link.

Post the link to your source on the website like buddy posted his.

[calf]

This whole thing reminds me of this group project I had in university. Assigned groups, 4 of the 5 of us attended every meeting, did our assigned sections, reviewed and critiqued each other's work, and ended up doing a good job and getting a good grade.

One guy didn't participate and his contribution was making the cover page. He thought he deserved the same grade as the rest of us.

If you're not going to contribute and make efforts, you don't get the same privileges as those who do.

[Moneyhands23]

I can't wait to buy my counterfeit vaccine passport and support my local organized crime

Lol I'm kidding I have had 2 shots already

[Cain]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The post the link.

Post the link to your source on the website like buddy posted his.

I did actually go and look for the cdc stats from their site, but it did not seem like those stats were trivial to pull (or I missed it completely). Was going to ask for a specific link as well, so thanks for following up...Wasn't sure I would get a response though!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cain

I did actually go and look for the cdc stats from their site, but it did not seem like those stats were trivial to pull (or I missed it completely).

same same

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Lol freedoms and rights. To attend a hockey game. Rleaeglblargl it’s muh right to go watch hockey! Get the vaccine and go then. Weirdos.

Have you read section 6 of the Charter? Clearly in invisible ink there is a section about the right to attend hockey games.

Section 6(2)(c) - to attend hockey games in person, regardless of health or financial status.

I thought everyone knew that.

[Rutuu]

Sydney is going through an outbreak right now and 100% of the folks ICU are unvaccinated or singly vaccinated (5%). Australia has been supply blocked so the full vaccination rate is 20%. We've set a target of 70-80% of adults for herd immunity, which translates to 65% of total pop. Then we open...1000-2000people die in that modelling.

In the biggest I told you so of the new century...it's sad...but it is clear and totally avoidable, but we will be letting the unvaccinated die in 12months or less. Unvaccinated by choice will be overly represented in the death toll at that point 99.9%+. My heart aches for them, and more for the folks that can't be vaccinated. What a sad and horrific way to go out, drowning in an ICU while your lungs fill with fluid instead of getting two shots.

[XeO]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I’m not talking flights and entering a country. In many EU countries you need a green pass to enter restaurants, shops, museums, local and regional transit, etc.

I am planning a flight to Europe and noticed this too. In the country I am going too, you either need proof of vaccination or show a negative covid test each day if you want to eat dinner at a restaurant. They have rapid tests but imagine how annoying that would be to pay and take one every single day. I’m glad the government is implementing a national covid vaccination passport. Not sure how many people will accept our Alberta vaccination records, as I’ve heard some strictly only allow the EU covid vaccination passport or the Americans CDC card.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Have you read section 6 of the Charter? Clearly in invisible ink there is a section about the right to attend hockey games.

Section 6(2)(c) - to attend hockey games in person, regardless of health or financial status.

I thought everyone knew that.

I think Section 6(3) also guarantees the right to winning Flames hockey but I could be wrong.

[Harry Lime]

Herd immunity is no longer possible with the current vaccines, because of Delta being the primary strain. There is still a reliance on people being smart about their interactions. Not shutting things down, just being smart.

Isolate yourself, or get tested if you have symptoms. Mask up and distance for two weeks if you are a close contact, even if you don't have symptoms.

I don't know if I trust people to be smart about anything.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I don't know if I trust people to be smart about anything.

After reading some of the comments in this thread, I'm more likely to wear a mask to the store again now...it was a fun couple of weeks letting the sun hit my face again

[PaperBagger'14]

[Manhattanboy]

Yup I’m wearing a mask again in all public places.

[JackIsBack]

This is too funny.... I suggest people here go back and think about all the privacy laws that were passed... somehow someones medical history is OK when asking about this virus and their vaccination status (and having it in a passport is still asking and showing it). Now people here want to segregate society again, like we did in the USA before 1860 or between 1920 and 1965... or like Nazi Germany did in 1930 to 1945. It's funny because in Germany, the SS asked people to view their papers - is that what you want, to have to show papers again - to prove to someone your status. Count me OUT!


Now.... Can I ask you if you got your erectile dysfunction prescription filed, or when is you menstrual period, or if you're taking your schizophrenia medication too... because we are on a slippery slope here - and before you say that nonsensical, two years ago asking someone for a vaccination passport would be considered nonsensical, and if someone is off their schizophrenia medication, the could be dangerous - where do you draw the line.


What about people who can't take the vaccination under doctors orders. And if the vaccination works.... why do I (or you) care if someone has been vaccinated as long as I (you) have been - you can't have it all ways.... either the vaccines work and you shouldn't care, or they don't. The problem is the efficacy of the vaccines have been widely overstated and now we're just coming to that realization - and no matter if you believe it or not (I simply don't care) - facts are facts and you can't change that. Why are they talking about a third booster now?



The problem is that these COVID vaccinations don't work like other vaccines worked historically. Historically, vaccines were the shells of viruses or weakened viruses that were injected and created the same immune response in the host (you) that the virus did, but were weakened, so your immune system could beat it with little discomfort and you were now immune. The mRNA vaccines are new... a new technology that has largely failed in every trial before this one. The mRNA takes over your own cells functions where it's injected and has those cells produce proteins identical to the ones on the COVID19 virus (the spike proteins in this case - the proteins that create the little spikes on the outside of the virus), your bodies immune system then creates antigens to fight this fake virus infection. It's these spike proteins that create the blood clotting seen in recently vaccinated or COVID effected people.


The problems: If you happen to have COVID at the time of you vaccination - your body now has double (and by double I mean the two added together) the spike proteins, the ones created by the virus and the others created at the vaccination site or areas it's spread to (which was not suppose to happen - but does)... this can be an issue especially in younger people with highly active immune systems (I thankfully didn't have this issue).... then, add the second shot to that... I hope you get the point.


My point: Vaccine's are a choice.... since I've been vaccinated, why would I care about someone else if I believe they work, I'm immune. News flash: COVID is here to stay like the flu or common cold... we better get use to it, and most people are going to catch it now or in the future, you can't STOP IT no more then you can't stop getting the cold or flu, you may not want it, I know I don't, but there will be too many strains for the vaccines to catch. COVID has also been around for years - there are flu's (and colds) that are caused by COVID virus already - SARS was a COVID virus.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Macman

I don't want to show my medical history/status to go to a hockey game or anywhere else for that matter.

Nobody's asking you to share your "medical history/status" at large. Nobody cares about the results of your gonorrhea test. It's a very specific, very narrow question for a very specific, very narrow and very important purpose.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

No one is going to read more than a paragraph of this

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Nobody's asking you to share your "medical history/status" at large. Nobody cares about the results of your gonorrhea test. It's a very specific, very narrow question for a very specific, very narrow and very important purpose.

It's currently against the law too... privacy laws anyone. Where are you going to draw the line? Where is someone else going to draw the line? What if you have a cold, I don't want you sitting next to me at the hockey game if you're coughing... if you start to cough, should security quickly escort you out of the building.