[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[combustiblefuel]

Also the myth the vaccines only have "emergency approval" is not true.

In Canada Vaccines have FULL approval. People get confused because the FDA in the states has that Status.
Which has no bearing here. In CANADA they are full approved .

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Use some reiki or maybe a nice topical ointment on that COVID.

I agree with the guy on the video. If you don't believe in what every Doctor in the world is recommending to protect you, why the f would you even want to go to the hospital?

Let's just make the decision easy for them and remove them from the medical system entirely.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Macman

But where does it end though, it's a bit of a start of the slippery slope scenario and it deserves a discussion as we're a democracy still which some people seem to want to move away from.

Are we headed for everyone showing their status to enter every building, business and venue? An approved number/barcode so to speak? That's more scary to me than putting up with someone that chooses not to get vaccinated.

Hope you don’t have any intention to visit the EU in the next few years.

[Harry Lime]

That's tantamount to government mandated murder. Maybe the worry shouldn't have been how much the virus was going to effect us physically, but how much it's going to end up destroying our lives socially. Vaccination status is destroying friendships and families, and for the sake of everyone making those kinds of decisions, we had better hope that nothing worse than Delta comes along, to which the vaccine is even less effective.

Banking on isolation is a bold move.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

There are people who can't get vaccines because of health conditions. They are 100% being discriminated against.

Vaccinated people can still get infected, and if the symptoms aren't as bad, then great. But if someone shows up to the game with a negative test and somehow infects an vaccinated person, they should be fine. Isn't that the purpose of the vaccine?

That's been largely covered in this thread too though. I have an un-vaccinable person in my own house. My daughter is under the age of being able to get a vaccine. So for her it's not a choice.

If you have a valid medical reason for not getting one, again not a choice.

I believe that most restrictions take things like that into account. Or I agree, they should.

Sort of like how we don't allow dogs in lots of public buildings, but we don't "discriminate" against blind people and folks with service dogs, who are still able to access those services/buildings.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

People who could be vaccinated and chose not to be, should be triaged to the end of the line and then billed for their treatment.

And taxed up to their eyeballs, sort of like smokers, and pay way more for their insurance.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Hope you don’t have any intention to visit the EU in the next few years.

Like another poster said, overseas flights are one thing but doing it domestically at home here is another. I don't want to show my medical history/status to go to a hockey game or anywhere else for that matter.

What about right now with restrictions removed, how do you know who's vaccinated and who isn't especially if it's for organized activities or events.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Macman

Like another poster said, overseas flights are one thing but doing it domestically at home here is another. I don't want to show my medical history/status to go to a hockey game or anywhere else for that matter.

What about right now with restrictions removed, how do you know who's vaccinated and who isn't especially if it's for organized activities or events.

Again, showing whether or not you have a covid vaccination (especially while still in the midst of a pandemic) is not the same thing as showing your medical history. It isn't even close.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Macman

Like another poster said, overseas flights are one thing but doing it domestically at home here is another. I don't want to show my medical history/status to go to a hockey game or anywhere else for that matter.

What about right now with restrictions removed, how do you know who's vaccinated and who isn't especially if it's for organized activities or events.

You have identified the exact problem that many are hoping is soon rectified with vaccine passports. Was that what you were trying to do?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

15,000 Canadians died from Covid in 2020.
The average age was higher than the average life expectancy.
8,000 - 10,000 Canadians die every year from the flu + pneumonia.

I don't understand why everyone is so passionate about mandating vaccines.

This post right here shows a complete lack of critical thought.

The first thing that easily pops into my mind is the fact the covid death rate is 15k despite the entire country going into lockdown for the majority of the year. I mean anyone that can use simple logic has to understand the lockdown saved many thousands more from dying of the virus.

It is pretty easy to see why you don’t understand people wanting others to be vaccinated with that moronic post

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Flame On

And taxed up to their eyeballs, sort of like smokers, and pay way more for their insurance.

This is exactly it. Let the actuarial sciences do their work and people can put their money where their mouth is.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I find it pretty silly that people are complaining they have to be vaccinated to go watch a hockey game that wouldn't take place to begin with if it weren't for vaccinations.

[Macman]

At this point I think I'm drawing the line at vaccine passports, I will follow people's rules if that's what they require for access but I wouldn't prove to them that I'm vaccinated cause it's none of their business.

So why aren't vaccine passports currently required for air travel then? They just ask you and that's it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

15,000 Canadians died from Covid in 2020.
The average age was higher than the average life expectancy.
8,000 - 10,000 Canadians die every year from the flu + pneumonia.

I don't understand why everyone is so passionate about mandating vaccines.

My daughter is an Intensive Care nurse. The last 18 months has been complete hell for her and her co-workers. And what makes it truly infuriating for me, as her father, having to watch her fight through this, is that the situation has been, and continues to be, significantly worse than it needed to be, due to moronic imbeciles like yourself who don't simply ignore the evidence, but actively propagate mis-information.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Also the myth the vaccines only have "emergency approval" is not true.

In Canada Vaccines have FULL approval. People get confused because the FDA in the states has that Status.
Which has no bearing here. In CANADA they are full approved .

Thanks, I didn't know this. In the US only Pfizer has even applied for full approval.

I do think FDA approval matters to people everywhere though. A ton of Canadians have a rather unhealthy obsession with the US and full FDA approval may have some symbolic value in Canada.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by Macman

At this point I think I'm drawing the line at vaccine passports, I will follow people's rules if that's what they require for access but I wouldn't prove to them that I'm vaccinated cause it's none of their business.

So why aren't vaccine passports currently required for air travel then? They just ask you and that's it.

So if it a building requires proof of vaccination are you going to get upset if they deny entry because you tell them it is none of their business?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

God I always hate this argument.

1 . It's not 8000 to 10000 people who die from the flu. It's 2000- 8000 but that's a wide guess as they don't track the numbers that closely. Example. 2002 to 2008 there was only 300 flu deaths.

It's amazing how people who want to minimize COVID deaths then use the most obscenely liberal definition of flu deaths derived from computer models to make their point.

The most comparable flu season to COVID in terms of surveillance was the 2009 flu season with H1N1. We had fairly widespread testing (particularly of people in hospital) and a national reporting system. And that year there were 428 flu deaths in Canada.

[The Fonz]

Mods, could we get a poll asking something like “are you in favour of the Flames adopting a covid admission policy similar to the Winnipeg Jets?”

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by calf

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...744738305?s=20

https://twitter.com/user/status/1425528973744738305

I agree with this 100%

Don't want to be a responsible human being and get vaccinated despite being able to, you're on your own if you catch COVID.

You want to be a pro-diseaser, enjoy your disease then.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cain

Again, showing whether or not you have a covid vaccination (especially while still in the midst of a pandemic) is not the same thing as showing your medical history. It isn't even close.

But... slippery slope!