Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by flambers

Would be a terrible move in my opinion, Sabres don't want the distraction

I disagree. When that distraction is an elite talent, there is a lot more to consider. Even when it's not an elite talent, sometimes the smart play is to maximize an asset's value before you move it - look at how Yzerman handled Drouin in Tampa. Huge distraction, but that doesn't mean he just gave the player what he wanted.

Then there's the reality that for a playoff-starved team like Buffalo, one year of making the playoffs could be well worth any future fallout just to revive fan interest and "hope". Look at how Columbus handled the Bobrovsky/Panarin situations... huge distraction, sure, but they made the most out of it in the short-term. Not saying that's the best plan, or that I'd want my team to do that, but for a team like Buffalo, it's a huge factor.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This isn't basketball.

The parallel is pretty valid though. Much like the Raptors were a pretty deep team missing that one elite piece, so are the Days of our Lives Flames

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Macman

The Sabres are going to have to be the ones compromising here if they really want to move Eichel.

What would the Flames active roster look like for example with Eichel on LTIR for a year or more?

Eichel on LTIR for the year, then use the cap savings to sign a 1 year contract with an impact forward... James Neal.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Prufrock

I'm hoping this is like the Kawhi trade...

Star in American market with shady medical history and poor team relations gets traded to the good guys for a heartbreaking though fair package, then a championship is won.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This isn't basketball.

I'm hoping this is like the Steve McHockeyballs trade...

Star in American market with shady medical history and poor team relations gets traded to the good guys for a heartbreaking though fair package, then a championship is won.

[mrdonkey]

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

They probably are not in a big hurry. The Sabres still have months left to make a deal before the new season starts, and even then can still negotiate with teams as they jockey for early positioning in the standings. I doubt this gets done anytime soon—I sure neve expected that Eichel would get moved today, or even this week.

Training Camp is only 7 or 8 weeks away.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I disagree. When that distraction is an elite talent, there is a lot more to consider. Even when it's not an elite talent, sometimes the smart play is to maximize an asset's value before you move it - look at how Yzerman handled Drouin in Tampa. Huge distraction, but that doesn't mean he just gave the player what he wanted.

Then there's the reality that for a playoff-starved team like Buffalo, one year of making the playoffs could be well worth any future fallout just to revive fan interest and "hope". Look at how Columbus handled the Bobrovsky/Panarin situations... huge distraction, sure, but they made the most out of it in the short-term. Not saying that's the best plan, or that I'd want my team to do that, but for a team like Buffalo, it's a huge factor.

I hear you, but in this case they both need to part ways.....

I am sure they love to repair the relationship but I can't see any chance that is going to occur

My bet a trade will happen before the season starts

(i.e. no clue if its this week or next week)

[Ashasx]

I'm really not sure Eichel makes sense for the Flames.

Eichel wants surgery. The Sabres are blocking him from getting it.

If he's traded to the Flames, he's still going to want surgery. If the Flames block him from getting it, why would we be any better of a location for him?

He's going to miss the entire season and I'm not sure the Flames window is going to last much longer. (I think the window is firmly closed on the current group.)

We could be trading Shane Wright for Eichel.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getbak

Training Camp is only 7 or 8 weeks away.

That is lots of time, no? My point is that this is not something that has to get done today.

[2ArmBands]

You would have to think if your Buffalo now is the time to maximize your return for Eichel. Certainly one would think today/tomorrow would bring the most suitors

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm really not sure Eichel makes sense for the Flames.

Eichel wants surgery. The Sabres are blocking him from getting it.

If he's traded to the Flames, he's still going to want surgery. If the Flames block him from getting it, why would we be any better of a location for him?

He's going to miss the entire season and I'm not sure the Flames window is going to last much longer. (I think the window is firmly closed on the current group.)

We could be trading Shane Wright for Eichel.

Even without Eichel for a year the Flames are not going to be nearly bad enough to be picking in the top-three at the draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm really not sure Eichel makes sense for the Flames.

Eichel wants surgery. The Sabres are blocking him from getting it.

If he's traded to the Flames, he's still going to want surgery. If the Flames block him from getting it, why would we be any better of a location for him?

He's going to miss the entire season and I'm not sure the Flames window is going to last much longer. (I think the window is firmly closed on the current group.)

We could be trading Shane Wright for Eichel.

If Eichel gets the surgery he wants I believe he is out for only 3 months.


Depends what the Flames give up for him. This team without Eichel right now is not in the Wright mix so unless they gut their roster to get him they won’t be after the trade either

[timbit]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

Gaudreau extension and Eichel trade will be announced simultaneously within the next 2 hours...

Buffalo got permission to negotiate with Johnny?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Even without Eichel for a year the Flames are not going to be nearly bad enough to be picking in the top-three at the draft.

We were bad enough this year with Gio to potentially pick in the top 3 of the draft.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm really not sure Eichel makes sense for the Flames.

Eichel wants surgery. The Sabres are blocking him from getting it.

If he's traded to the Flames, he's still going to want surgery. If the Flames block him from getting it, why would we be any better of a location for him?

Not super reliable sources on the next have posted he is using it as leverage to leave the Sabres.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm really not sure Eichel makes sense for the Flames.

Eichel wants surgery. The Sabres are blocking him from getting it.

If he's traded to the Flames, he's still going to want surgery. If the Flames block him from getting it, why would we be any better of a location for him?

He's going to miss the entire season and I'm not sure the Flames window is going to last much longer. (I think the window is firmly closed on the current group.)

We could be trading Shane Wright for Eichel.

The more we keep adding free agents for half a decade, the more I'm coming to understand a rebuild is not coming anytime soon. If we'd held the line and not added (and appear to be adding more) veterans with pedigree, I think there's a chance this could have trended in the direction of the Flames being a lottery team next year. But, not the case, and I think it's destined to be in the 8-10 conference range short of a significant core shakeup.

So, injured or not, that puts me in camp Eichel. Go for it, futures be damned.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm really not sure Eichel makes sense for the Flames.

Eichel wants surgery. The Sabres are blocking him from getting it.

If he's traded to the Flames, he's still going to want surgery. If the Flames block him from getting it, why would we be any better of a location for him?

He's going to miss the entire season and I'm not sure the Flames window is going to last much longer. (I think the window is firmly closed on the current group.)

We could be trading Shane Wright for Eichel.

Eichel’s neck situation is more nuanced than that, as he might not get surgery at all this offseason depending on how conservative measures have fared, might get the surgery he wants which will keep him out a shorter amount of time, or might get the fusion which will keep him out longer.

And you’re wrong on the window front. Based on the age of the group, the contracts, and the talent, this IS the window. Time to go for it is right now.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Eichel gets the surgery he wants I believe he is out for only 3 months.


Depends what the Flames give up for him. This team without Eichel right now is not in the Wright mix so unless they gut their roster to get him they won’t be after the trade either

That's not what I've heard. If that were true, Eichel would have had surgery months ago. There's now 2 months until training camp.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We could be trading Shane Wright for Eichel.

I think any picks involved in a trade for Eichel would either

A) Have games played next year provisions
B) Be top 3 or top 1 protected

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by timbit

Buffalo got permission to negotiate with Johnny?

Since Gaudreau has now already submitted his five-team trade list I think there is almost no chance he does not sign an extension this year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That's not what I've heard. If that were true, Eichel would have had surgery months ago. There's now 2 months until training camp.

Sabres won’t let him get that surgery which is why he hasn’t.