07-23-2021, 01:14 PM
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#121
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Philly paid way too much, that is indisputable. But if you just look at what they have on D, it makes for an interesting comparison.
Arizona:
OEL, Chychrun, Gostisbehere - $17.35M
Philly:
Provorov, Ellis, Ristolainen - $18.4M
For $1M more, Philly's D is SUBSTANTIALLY better. Very low bar, admittedly. But I guess they at least have that going for them.
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07-23-2021, 01:17 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Philly is having a brutal off season, so far they have sent out:
Patrick
Hagg
Ghostisbehere
Myers
1st round pick
2 2nd round picks
7th round pick
They have received:
Ellis
Ristolainen.
I would be pissed if this was the flames
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07-23-2021, 01:17 PM
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#124
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I am actually quite interested to see if Ristolainen - "All the tools but no toolbox" - can benefit from a change of scenery. Maybe just getting away from Buffalo will help him find his game.
Quite the risk by Philadelphia. They paid quite a lot for this big risk.
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Yeah, he is only 26 after all, which is still very young for a defenseman. He should never have been 'the guy' in Buffalo at such a young age. I suspect he will look a lot better in Philly with a fresh start and no longer having to be a top pair guy.
But as you say, big price for the risk.
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07-23-2021, 01:18 PM
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#125
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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This trade is just brutal
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07-23-2021, 01:25 PM
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#126
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by 868904
My point is, many GMs thought Risto was worth a 1st round pick. Are they not also using analytics? Is there something wrong with the analytics in general or is there something wrong with the analytics that the Flames are using specifically?
How can the Flames be so adamant that Risto is a bad player, yet multiple teams offered a 1st round pick for him AND he's going to be a UFA too.
Something doesn't add up.
This board is laughing at the deal because we all here think Risto sucks, but that's because we've been fed by the Flames that Risto sucks. Does he suck or are the Flames just wrong and we are wrong for buying what they were selling? It's hard to give the Flames the benefit of doubt when they have been a complete failure in player assessment, the results speak for themselves.
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When did the Flames ever say this? Just one quote will do.
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07-23-2021, 01:27 PM
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#127
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beatle17
When did the Flames ever say this? Just one quote will do.
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Burke said they were in trade talks for Risto before Snow came in from the analytical side and that killed the trade talks.
Also, I would bet that the "multiple" other GMs offering first round picks for Risto were not teams that have won championships or will win Championships anytime soon. There are lots of bad GMs out there who simplify the size aspect of the game to "size=good" when what they should be looking for is "good size=good"
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07-23-2021, 01:27 PM
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#128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Who knows, a change of scenery and lesser roll could be good for Ristolainen. Pretty clear Philly is all in this season.
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07-23-2021, 01:28 PM
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#130
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beatle17
When did the Flames ever say this? Just one quote will do.
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https://flamesnation.ca/2019/11/30/b...-on-analytics/
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07-23-2021, 01:29 PM
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#132
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I think this trade shows what Philly thinks of this draft (not much). Also, it is a 2nd in 2023, not next year. Those two things suggest they value next year's draft much more highly (no surprise). And presumably that this year's pick is of significantly less value.
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07-23-2021, 01:33 PM
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#133
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by theinfinitejar
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So the guy who hated analytics who no longer works here is the basis for a FlamesNation article. Ok, that is a pretty good quote from the Flames.
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07-23-2021, 01:35 PM
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#134
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
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Why did they get way more than their asking price then? That guy is a joke who steals info, slightly alters it and calls it his own.
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07-23-2021, 01:35 PM
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#135
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beatle17
So the guy who hated analytics who no longer works here is the basis for a FlamesNation article. Ok, that is a pretty good quote from the Flames.
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Burke never hated analytics.
He hated it being used as the sole source of criticism for moves because he doesn't believe it's the only tool you should use to build a team.
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Originally Posted by bax
Why did they get way more than their asking price then? That guy is a joke who steals info, slightly alters it and calls it his own.
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If he "steals" info, he's posting it before the people he steals it from then...which I suppose is what all "insiders" do...?
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07-23-2021, 01:35 PM
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#136
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
Who knows, a change of scenery and lesser roll could be good for Ristolainen. Pretty clear Philly is all in this season.
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Lesser rolls...mmmmmm
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07-23-2021, 01:39 PM
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#137
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Burke never hated analytics.
He hated it being used as the sole source of criticism for moves because he doesn't believe it's the only tool you should use to build a team.
If he "steals" info, he's posting it before the people he steals it from then...which I suppose is what all "insiders" do...?
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He listens to every radio hit and podcast and takes the information. He also claimed Calgary was after Foligno at the deadline and not to expect any of the Seattle picks to get leaked before the show lol.
Also notice how he has never ever broken a trade? He throws so much mud at the wall that eventually some will stick.
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07-23-2021, 01:50 PM
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#138
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
Who knows, a change of scenery and lesser roll could be good for Ristolainen. Pretty clear Philly is all in this season.
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If that's what they consider 'all in'...they're screwed
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07-23-2021, 01:54 PM
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#139
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley
If that's what they consider 'all in'...they're screwed
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I'm betting you're wrong. In fact, I'll go all in on it.
*bets three Pringles, a trouser button, and a dead AAA battery*
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07-23-2021, 02:06 PM
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#140
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
I'm betting you're wrong. In fact, I'll go all in on it.
*bets three Pringles, a trouser button, and a dead AAA battery*
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Are they the Baconator pringles? Those are delicious
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