[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[GS Skier]

This board is hilarious.

Way back I ran a fastball team. I went to the Shop Mgr and told him to put "Pitching Experience" on all future job applicants.

His response was "pitching?" I thought you said "bitching" and we have plenty of that.

Seriously how many 4th round picks ever play? 1 out of 4 1 out of 5? You get a Sutter type grinder for chump change and the same guys that complain about our drafting then claim thats too much????

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Please see post #224 above…

Those drafts were the result of earlier trades. In the last 3 years, it has been a surplus, not a deficit.

So complai ing about Bollig, and the constant stream of deficit spending, is tired and no longer accurate

[gvitaly]

I actually think he will be a fan favourite here. You know what you’re getting from him. Flyer fans still want him back! I saw they were hoping to get him for a 3rd plus a prospect. I think he was actually trending in the right direction, and I expect him to be Bennett’s replacement(the Flames not Panthers version). As for his low PK stats, I’m surprised because he looks solid on the PK.

A 4th round pick is something I can live with, ideally you want to get a player for nothing, but I don’t think it would hurt the future of the Flames as much as some say.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Coach

I don't love it just because it likely comes at the cost of having that spot taken by a younger player with more potential to become something better.

There's still multiple spots open to competition.

If the young guys can't take the spot from guys like Ritchie, Froese, Pitlick, etc. then they don't deserve the spot.

Injuries happen, trades and signings still yet to come. Pitlick doesn't take anyone's spot away if they deserve a spot.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Coach

I don't love it just because it likely comes at the cost of having that spot taken by a younger player with more potential to become something better.

Roles. I don't know why people don't understand roles.

Develop in the AHL. That's where young players belong.

Gawdin is the only one who appears ready to take a bottom 6 role in the NHL and this move doesn't preclude him from that.

Phillips and Ruzicka have NOT dominated the AHL yet and are not ready for a top 6 ROLE. They are not bottom 6 players. They should be developed for the top 6.

When you throw young players with top 6 potential into bottom 6 roles, you end up ruining their development like Sam Bennett. People like to point to Tampa, they marinate their prospects until they take a job away, they don't gift young players spots especially not in roles that they aren't suited for.

[iloveicedhockey]

Again, we just need to select a beaut with the Oilers pick from Neal and this draft will be a victory.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

In 2020 they drafted 8 times, in 2019 five times, and in 2018 five times (and none before the 4th round). So they’re down 3 picks. 2021 draft hasn’t happened yet, so still plenty of time for more picks to be moved out.

They are -6 on draft picks that have actually happened under Brad according to my quick count

But that sort of ignores quality vs quantity. Five picks in 2018 doesn’t seem that bad until you realize 104 players went before we made a selection

Overall I generally think it’s smart to trade players for picks and dumb to trade picks for players. Brad has done fine doing one and has repeatedly looked foolish doing the other

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

How dare you refute illogical outrage with actual facts disputing same.
HOW DARE YOU!

Never let a good story get in the way of facts.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Those drafts were the result of earlier trades. In the last 3 years, it has been a surplus, not a deficit.

So complai ing about Bollig, and the constant stream of deficit spending, is tired and no longer accurate

That is not true only 1 of the last 4 yrs they have surplus

[zamler]

We're gonna have so much depth even James Cameron couldn't write the roster brochure.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So Seattle uses it's expansion draft pick to get a 4th rounder instead of a player from the coyotes? There better have been a side deal because I'm sure they could have taken something better from Arizona.

There were no protection deals for Seattle. There were only if you take this player in the expansion draft and flip him to us we will give you something. This is one of the deals.

So Seattle basically looked at Arizona's unprotected list and took Calgary's offer of a 4th for Pitlick over anything else that was available.

[Moneyhands23]

I guess with him and Ritchie on the 4th line we could be looking at a good beating being laid nightly on the opponents

[ricardodw]

It sounds like some sort of compensation for the Flames not protecting Gio or trading him to Buffalo or Arz for a 2nd rd pick

The Flames got a 3rd line player for a 4th round pick.... Slam dunk win for the Flames. Flames lost the Best player in the expansion draft and didn't do anything to get some asset back... missed free throw.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

This board is hilarious.

Way back I ran a fastball team. I went to the Shop Mgr and told him to put "Pitching Experience" on all future job applicants.

His response was "pitching?" I thought you said "bitching" and we have plenty of that.

Seriously how many 4th round picks ever play? 1 out of 4 1 out of 5? You get a Sutter type grinder for chump change and the same guys that complain about our drafting then claim thats too much????

The Flames have actually done pretty well with 4th rounders in the past decade. Out of seven 4th round picks between 2011-18, there are some decent players:

Gaudreau is an NHLer
Kulak is an NHLer
Ruzicka will likely end up being an NHLer (tweener at worst)
Roman will end up being the same caliber of tweener that Horak was
Posposil has a chance of being an NHLer if he can stay healthy




People wouldn't be so up if arms about Pitlick if there wasn't a gaping RW hole in the Top 6 that Treliving refuses to address

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That is not true only 1 of the last 4 yrs they have surplus

I am referring to trades, the picks are coming in the next 2 drafts.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am referring to trades, the picks are coming in the next 2 drafts.

You know Brad is using some of those picks for depth D men at the deadline

He can’t help himself

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The Flames have actually done pretty well with 4th rounders in the past decade. Out of seven 4th round picks between 2011-18, there are some decent players:

Gaudreau is an NHLer
Kulak is an NHLer
Ruzicka will likely end up being an NHLer (tweener at worst)
Roman will end up being the same caliber of tweener that Horak was
Posposil has a chance of being an NHLer if he can stay healthy




People wouldn't be so up if arms about Pitlick if there wasn't a gaping RW hole in the Top 6 that Treliving refuses to address

So 2 players. In a cherry-picked period of time.

And acquiring Patrick does not preclude addressing the RW situation in the slightest

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by neo45

You know Brad is using some of those picks for depth D men at the deadline

He can’t help himself

Let's hang him if and when it happens, not simply because you want to bitch about imagined issues

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let's hang him if and when it happens, not simply because you want to bitch about imagined issues

I don’t think we can say we have a draft pick surplus when he’s deep in the red in terms of both quality and quantity and will probably be very willing to not learn from his mistakes. He moved a pick for a depth player like 20 minutes ago

Basically Brad does well when he is selling and bad when he is buying depth and today he bought depth so obviously fans are going to be skeptical

[CF84]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

His QoC was 91% He played almost non-stop against the best players on Vegas, Avs, Wild and Blues last year.

When he was on the ice I would imagine that 90% of the players he was up against were better than him. They also were likely paid, on average 3 to 4 times more than him.

He is the poster boy for an Un-sheltered player.

Oh his plus minus should have been the worst on his team like Kessell / Dvorak who had a -17, His was -1.

Yelle in his 5 years with the Flames was a +2 In his 15 year career he was +7

Well, you've finally gone and done it...You made a post that I both like and agree with. I truly thought this day might never come.