Matthew Tkachuk wants out rumour

[chedder]

Originally Posted by troutman

I would move him for a good return. No question.

Actually, so would I

[Number 39]

No kidding, for the right return anyone/everyone on the team is available. Not like there’s been much recent success to make one feel a sense of loyalty. LOL

[Huntingwhale]

I'm trying this new thing where I don't get attached emotionally to players that I like. In the past it was guys like Iggy and Kipper. Even recently Gaudreau and Gio, Tkachuk too. 30 years of disappointment has shown me that method doesn't work. Especially when your one of the guys in charge of the franchise.

Call me heartless, but doing right by the player simply doesn't work for this franchise. It works for some teams. But we are not one of those teams. It should 100% be about doing what is best for the franchise going forward. Players know what they are signing up for, and they get paid millions to be a part of this league. If it means uprooting their lives to shift them off somewhere so the team can has a chance to win, then it should be done. Those millions they are make are part of the compensation for having that uprooting hanging over their heads. Even the wives should know what they are signing up for once that ring goes on the finger. The only people I feel somewhat for are their kids in school.

Therefore as much as I like Tkachuk, if the 'right' deal comes along that improves the team and it's a net win, the team should 100% do it regardless of hurt feelings. It should be that way with any player on the roster. No more of this hoping they stick with the franchise forever so they get their jersey up in the rafters one day.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I'm trying this new thing where I don't get attached emotionally to players that I like. In the past it was guys like Iggy and Kipper. Even recently Gaudreau and Gio, Tkachuk too. 30 years of disappointment has shown me that method doesn't work. Especially when your one of the guys in charge of the franchise.

Call me heartless, but doing right by the player simply doesn't work for this franchise. It works for some teams. But we are not one of those teams. It should 100% be about doing what is best for the franchise going forward. Players know what they are signing up for, and they get paid millions to be a part of this league. If it means uprooting their lives to shift them off somewhere so the team can has a chance to win, then it should be done. Those millions they are make are part of the compensation for having that uprooting hanging over their heads. Even the wives should know what they are signing up for once that ring goes on the finger. The only people I feel somewhat for are their kids in school.

Therefore as much as I like Tkachuk, if the 'right' deal comes along that improves the team and it's a net win, the team should 100% do it regardless of hurt feelings. It should be that way with any player on the roster. No more of this hoping they stick with the franchise forever so they get their jersey up in the rafters one day.

Absolutely 100% agree.

For me it has always been logo on the front before the name on the back. It's just the business side of the game and has to be treated as such.

My issue with trading MT at this point is that it's extremely unlikely you can make a deal that makes the club better considering his already stellar production along with his age and that there are far better options to trade.

If you are dealing a LW from this team, one makes way way more sense than the other simply because of age and the different aspects of the game they bring. $$ wise, in the end, they wont be far off each other and far as term goes....same thing.

[ricardodw]

With Tkachuk there is likely a lot of the grass is greener syndrome going on.

He played on the USA U18 with McAvoy , both 16 year olds in 2014-15

McAvoy goes to BU and Tkachuk goes to London.

Tkachuk gets drafted 6th and McAvoy gets drafted 14th ..

Tkachuk goes straight to the Flames and makes the playoffs and get the doors blown right off 4 straight by Anaheim with Tkachuk looking lost at least as much as the rest of the Flames. McAvoy goes back to BU and get called up to the AHL and plays 6 playoff games with Boston averaging 26 minutes a game 2nd on the team. This 10 games burns his ELC year 1 for him.

Their first year after ELC they both sign 3 year deals.. Tkachuk gets max payment from the Flames 7 x 3 with 9 in the last year and McAvoy signs a team friendly 4.9 x 3 with 7.5 in the last year.

McAvoy has had tremendous fun with the bruins. 65 playoff games and no question about making the playoffs every year. McAvoy barely makes the list of important players on the Bruins.

Tkachuk had one fun year with the Flames that ended with a playoff catastrophe. He is undoubtedly one of the top two or 3 players on the Flames and has to be exceptional to make the playoffs. So far none of his linemates would be in Bostons top-6. He has played (poorly) in 15 playoff games.

Looking forward McAvoy will be expecting to make the playoffs and have a chance for a run.

Tkachuk is looking a rebuild in Calgary that depends on him playing like it was regular season 2019 for them to be in bubble contention.

Tell me why Tkachuk would not want to get out of Calgary ASAP?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't think that Tkachuk brings his team into the battle. I have started seeing it as he is bringing the battle to his team.


I 100% think that the players see it as an issue if Tkachuk is doing this every night. Remember when the Flames "owned" the Kings? That elbow happened, the rivalry happened, and suddenly the Kings sucked but were always up to the challenge when meeting the Flames.



Know why rivalry games are exciting? Because they are emotional and you can see all the players GAF metre going up. Tkachuk making everyone a rival - what does that do? It simply makes every team put more of an effort against the Flames, no?


So I have stopped looking at Tkachuk dragging his team into the battle. I see him as dragging the battle to the team all the time, and he himself often disappears in those games. The playoffs is where the battle and effort get ramped up to the max (or it should!), so in the playoffs that's great. Only Tkachuk hasn't exactly performed well there.


Yeah, I don't think it is in the Flames best interests to have a battle for every game of an 82 game season. I don't think it is wise to have the other teams circle the dates they have against Calgary. It is not going to help this team win more if every game means a battle against an opponent that really wants to make sure they beat you MORE than beat the other teams they play.

[GioforPM]

^^ I see it a little more as linemates being willing to get into scrums and scraps if something bad happens, but I can see it getting old if you are skating back to the bench after taking a thumb to the eye and someone tells you it all started because Chuckie “accidentally” fell on the goalie again, just like last game and the game before.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think that Tkachuk brings his team into the battle. I have started seeing it as he is bringing the battle to his team.


I 100% think that the players see it as an issue if Tkachuk is doing this every night. Remember when the Flames "owned" the Kings? That elbow happened, the rivalry happened, and suddenly the Kings sucked but were always up to the challenge when meeting the Flames.



Know why rivalry games are exciting? Because they are emotional and you can see all the players GAF metre going up. Tkachuk making everyone a rival - what does that do? It simply makes every team put more of an effort against the Flames, no?


So I have stopped looking at Tkachuk dragging his team into the battle. I see him as dragging the battle to the team all the time, and he himself often disappears in those games. The playoffs is where the battle and effort get ramped up to the max (or it should!), so in the playoffs that's great. Only Tkachuk hasn't exactly performed well there.


Yeah, I don't think it is in the Flames best interests to have a battle for every game of an 82 game season. I don't think it is wise to have the other teams circle the dates they have against Calgary. It is not going to help this team win more if every game means a battle against an opponent that really wants to make sure they beat you MORE than beat the other teams they play.

I’ve actually had very similar thoughts as well in regards to Tkachuk. But I came to the conclusion that at the end of the day, hockey to us fans is about entertainment right? We want to watch an entertaining hockey game and if Tkachuk helps to break up the mundanity of an 82 game season, then fantastic. I also think he brings more to the team than he subtracts, so I’m still all for keeping him.

Also, I really don’t like falling back on stats for extremely small sample sizes. Matthew Tkachuk’s line in the 2020 playoffs was the best line on the team and in my opinion, I thought that line was the single biggest reason why the Flames dominated the Jets in their best of 5 series. Then subsequently, when he went down with the injury against Dallas, that line along with the team were toast.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think that Tkachuk brings his team into the battle. I have started seeing it as he is bringing the battle to his team.

I 100% think that the players see it as an issue if Tkachuk is doing this every night. Remember when the Flames "owned" the Kings? That elbow happened, the rivalry happened, and suddenly the Kings sucked but were always up to the challenge when meeting the Flames.

Know why rivalry games are exciting? Because they are emotional and you can see all the players GAF metre going up. Tkachuk making everyone a rival - what does that do? It simply makes every team put more of an effort against the Flames, no?

So I have stopped looking at Tkachuk dragging his team into the battle. I see him as dragging the battle to the team all the time, and he himself often disappears in those games. The playoffs is where the battle and effort get ramped up to the max (or it should!), so in the playoffs that's great. Only Tkachuk hasn't exactly performed well there.

Yeah, I don't think it is in the Flames best interests to have a battle for every game of an 82 game season. I don't think it is wise to have the other teams circle the dates they have against Calgary. It is not going to help this team win more if every game means a battle against an opponent that really wants to make sure they beat you MORE than beat the other teams they play.

This 100%

I've used the analogy before but it's like the loud, mouthy friend who you go to the bar with.

At first it's fun. His antics attract girls at times, he makes some funny jokes, and you don't hate having to maybe get into a bit of a scrap to stand up for him.

But as time passes it just gets old. You're sick of every single night at the bar ending in some type of drama, and really you just want to be able to go and have a fun night out without the headache.

I think this is the problem with Tkachuk. His antics get himself fired up, and maybe get him more involved in the game, but it also means that all 20 guys on the other roster might be more fired up as well and soon the guys on this roster are sick of every shift with him ending in a scrum.

Tkachuk can do that all he wants, but if he is going to whine that his teammates don't have his back then he needs to learn how to do it at the right time. Instead of just every shift.

And as mentioned I think that it's impact on improving his game is overstated. I actually find that sometimes when it's the big rematch, or even in the playoffs his game actually goes the other direction and he's actually less effective because he's focused too much on the extra curriculars.

[SebC]

I thought the point and recognized value of Tkatchuk as an agitator is creating a penalty differential.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This 100%

I've used the analogy before but it's like the loud, mouthy friend who you go to the bar with.

At first it's fun. His antics attract girls at times, he makes some funny jokes, and you don't hate having to maybe get into a bit of a scrap to stand up for him.

But as time passes it just gets old. You're sick of every single night at the bar ending in some type of drama, and really you just want to be able to go and have a fun night out without the headache.

I think this is the problem with Tkachuk. His antics get himself fired up, and maybe get him more involved in the game, but it also means that all 20 guys on the other roster might be more fired up as well and soon the guys on this roster are sick of every shift with him ending in a scrum.

Tkachuk can do that all he wants, but if he is going to whine that his teammates don't have his back then he needs to learn how to do it at the right time. Instead of just every shift.

And as mentioned I think that it's impact on improving his game is overstated. I actually find that sometimes when it's the big rematch, or even in the playoffs his game actually goes the other direction and he's actually less effective because he's focused too much on the extra curriculars.

Image what would have happened if he had laughed walked away from the puck flip! Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Tkachuk got lots of guys to fall for the same antics, they reacted badly and got embarrassed, but those guys still went out and helped their teams. Chucky gets a puck-flip and loses it then partially mails it in for the rest of the season...Highest paid player on the team for a reason he gets paid to be a difference maker but this wasn't about the team, the fan's this was about Chucky.

The guy can be a great player but he needs to show up. If he doesn't want to bring it for the good of the team next season, he should be traded.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SebC

I thought the point and recognized value of Tkatchuk as an agitator is creating a penalty differential.

I don't think he's drawing as many penalties as he used to when he was tops in the league. I think the officials have wised up to his antics.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think he's drawing as many penalties as he used to when he was tops in the league. I think the officials have wised up to his antics.

Flames also don't have a powerplay that makes teams pay consistently. Sure they score in bunches sometimes and pad the stats. But no team looks at the Flames' PP and bases their game around avoiding giving the Flames PP opportunities.

The Flames are as un-clutch as it gets in many areas and sadly the PP is one of those areas.

It's great Tkachuk draws lots of penalties. But it's no good when the team doesn't take advantage of it consistently.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Tell me why Tkachuk would not want to get out of Calgary ASAP?

Because a lot of what you wrote is a hot steaming pile of monkey crap? You don't think Gaudreau or Lindholm would be in Boston's top 6? Lol.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because a lot of what you wrote is a hot steaming pile of monkey crap? You don't think Gaudreau or Lindholm would be in Boston's top 6? Lol.

and Tkachuk got to play with them in garbage time after Monahan was shut down and the Flames were playing exhibition games against Vancouver.

Take your pick for centre David Krejci or Bergeron or Lindholm.... For the most part Tkachuk got a steady diet of Backlund.

Do you think that Bennett was making stuff up about having more fun than ever when he got paroled from the Flames?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

and Tkachuk got to play with them in garbage time after Monahan was shut down and the Flames were playing exhibition games against Vancouver.

Take your pick for centre David Krejci or Bergeron or Lindholm.... For the most part Tkachuk got a steady diet of Backlund.

Do you think that Bennett was making stuff up about having more fun than ever when he got paroled from the Flames?

I would take both Lindholm and Backlund over Krejci in my top 6.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

and Tkachuk got to play with them in garbage time after Monahan was shut down and the Flames were playing exhibition games against Vancouver.

Take your pick for centre David Krejci or Bergeron or Lindholm.... For the most part Tkachuk got a steady diet of Backlund.

Do you think that Bennett was making stuff up about having more fun than ever when he got paroled from the Flames?

You're just trying to create a negative narrative. Period.

Every player says great things about their new opportunity and new team. It's like Kiss walking out on stage at the Saddledome and yelling "We love CALGARY!".

Just give it a rest already, it's pretty obvious what you're trying to do.

I get it though ... things are at a low point, so kick the hell out of the dead horse!

Just don't be surprised when people don't engage in a back and forth around your clear narrative.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think that Tkachuk brings his team into the battle. I have started seeing it as he is bringing the battle to his team.


I 100% think that the players see it as an issue if Tkachuk is doing this every night. Remember when the Flames "owned" the Kings? That elbow happened, the rivalry happened, and suddenly the Kings sucked but were always up to the challenge when meeting the Flames.



Know why rivalry games are exciting? Because they are emotional and you can see all the players GAF metre going up. Tkachuk making everyone a rival - what does that do? It simply makes every team put more of an effort against the Flames, no?


So I have stopped looking at Tkachuk dragging his team into the battle. I see him as dragging the battle to the team all the time, and he himself often disappears in those games. The playoffs is where the battle and effort get ramped up to the max (or it should!), so in the playoffs that's great. Only Tkachuk hasn't exactly performed well there.


Yeah, I don't think it is in the Flames best interests to have a battle for every game of an 82 game season. I don't think it is wise to have the other teams circle the dates they have against Calgary. It is not going to help this team win more if every game means a battle against an opponent that really wants to make sure they beat you MORE than beat the other teams they play.

So who you think has the advantage in the playoffs teams that played hard for 82 games or the soft teams that rise to the occasion for a couple of games at the start of the playoff. You realize that the Flames softie approach has on got them 1 first round match up that they luckily got to play the other team with a softie approach.

Tampa was a great softie team with playoff disappointment. They went and got some a-hole players that made other teams upset .. now they are a great team

I guess that Gallagher and Kadri and Marchand and Tom Wilson, Cernak, are making their respective teams tired of playing too hard.

Lucky that Gio grew out of his making LA play harder by going after Dustin Brown. The Flames got rid of Reghr as he was lighting a fire under Edmonton going after Hemsky.

When John Elway broke in with the Broncos he threw the ball too hard for some of the receivers to handle. They didn't tell Elway to throw softer they got receivers that could hang on to hard throws.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So who you think has the advantage in the playoffs teams that played hard for 82 games or the soft teams that rise to the occasion for a couple of games at the start of the playoff. You realize that the Flames softie approach has on got them 1 first round match up that they luckily got to play the other team with a softie approach.

Tampa was a great softie team with playoff disappointment. They went and got some a-hole players that made other teams upset .. now they are a great team

I guess that Gallagher and Kadri and Marchand and Tom Wilson, Cernak, are making their respective teams tired of playing too hard.

Lucky that Gio grew out of his making LA play harder by going after Dustin Brown. The Flames got rid of Reghr as he was lighting a fire under Edmonton going after Hemsky.

When John Elway broke in with the Broncos he threw the ball too hard for some of the receivers to handle. They didn't tell Elway to throw softer they got receivers that could hang on to hard throws.

I think you're big mistake is confusing "playing hard" or "being hard to play against" with causing chaos after every whistle.

Nobody is ever going to accuse Mark Giordano of not playing hard. He brings it every night. Plenty of criticism for his play at the start of last year as he appeared to lose a step but that's age.

I hope it's not the case, as I personally love it, but teams do tire of their own #### disturbers.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Bingo

First off loved the Newhart reference.

The rest is just the same old Sam Bennett argument. It's not his fault. It is his fault.

I think both are plausible.

But no he's not heading to the top of the league in Florida or anywhere else.

But I guess time will prove it one way or another. I'd be laying my chips down on a return to his average on ice shooting percentage.

Where are you and your other brother Darryl placing yours?

I disagree. You’re using on ice %, which is impacted by all the players in the ice with him. If he plays the majority of his time with better players in Florida he will have a better on ice shooting percentage, no? Maybe his personal shooting percentage will revert back to previous levels, but it’s unlikely that he’s so bad that he drags Huberdeau and Duclair down to that level.