06-05-2021, 12:13 PM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keeper34
Pull a trade while he has value.
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Gross. Terrible idea, lock him up long term at a great value is a way stronger move to make with a player like Mangi. Any trade for him would be a lateral move if it’s a roster player or for picks which is one step forward two steps back. You sign players you draft in the 6th round who turn into Mangiapane. Who IMO still has plenty of ceiling above him.
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06-05-2021, 12:49 PM
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#142
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
Gross. Terrible idea, lock him up long term at a great value is a way stronger move to make with a player like Mangi. Any trade for him would be a lateral move if it’s a roster player or for picks which is one step forward two steps back. You sign players you draft in the 6th round who turn into Mangiapane. Who IMO still has plenty of ceiling above him.
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If Mangiapane can be a piece in a trade that brings in an elite talent that makes the Flames better you have to seriously consider it.
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06-05-2021, 06:23 PM
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#143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
If Mangiapane can be a piece in a trade that brings in an elite talent that makes the Flames better you have to seriously consider it.
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Well you can say that about anyone.
But the post about trading him said "while he has value".
Big difference between saying make a trade if it's right and make a trade because his value is gonna dissappear.
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06-05-2021, 06:27 PM
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#144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
If Mangiapane can be a piece in a trade that brings in an elite talent that makes the Flames better you have to seriously consider it.
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Without Mangiapane, we are a worse team. He’s one of the only few that gives a damn every shift.
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06-05-2021, 06:48 PM
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#145
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
for the record... I'd have zero issues with a 6x6.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timun
6x$6M?!?!? What the hell crack are you guys smoking? Throwing that kind of money at players of Mangiapane's calibre is what gets teams into cap hell.
See how he does next year. $6M is on the table if and only if he becomes a 60-point player. Based on his play to date I wouldn't offer him a nickel over $3.5M/yr right now.
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Yep, craziness.
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06-05-2021, 07:06 PM
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#146
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keeper34
Pull a trade while he has value.
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Why would you trade one of your up and coming talents? He's the type of player you build your team with. A very high give a shyte type player and one who shows up for every shift.
Thanks but no thanks.
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06-05-2021, 07:10 PM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Keeping Mangiapane is fine. Just have to be really really smart about it. He is earning his raises. But how deep a commitment can a team make to a (as of today) middle six winger when there's so much in the air about the entire team.
One thing I trust most about Treliving is how he handles contracts for his players. So it'll be interesting to see how they handle the Mangiapane negotiations, which have been a challenge in the past.
I feel that Mangiapanes side will be the difficult ones this time. And that will dictate his trade possibilities.
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06-05-2021, 07:17 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Keeping Mangiapane is fine. Just have to be really really smart about it. He is earning his raises. But how deep a commitment can a team make to a (as of today) middle six winger when there's so much in the air about the entire team.
One thing I trust most about Treliving is how he handles contracts for his players. So it'll be interesting to see how they handle the Mangiapane negotiations, which have been a challenge in the past.
I feel that Mangiapanes side will be the difficult ones this time. And that will dictate his trade possibilities.
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Well, Treliving has gotten his way twice. If I am Mangiapane, I am coming in hot and have no problem leaving if the team that drafted me wants to underpay me a third time. He would thrive on any team.
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06-05-2021, 07:26 PM
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#149
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Well, Treliving has gotten his way twice. If I am Mangiapane, I am coming in hot and have no problem leaving if the team that drafted me wants to underpay me a third time. He would thrive on any team.
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Hows he gonna do that?
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06-05-2021, 07:27 PM
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#150
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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He would be the type of player some team might give an offer sheet to. If under an average of 4.3 mill a year it’s only a second. Anything above that would be a first and a third.
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06-05-2021, 07:27 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Hows he gonna do that?
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Sign a 2 year contract to stay with us once more and go UFA. I'm not saying he just doesn't show up, but I would rather us not struggle with negotiations again.
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06-05-2021, 07:29 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Sign a 2 year contract to stay with us once more and go UFA. I'm not saying he just doesn't show up, but I would rather us not struggle with negotiations again.
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What if the Flames don’t offer a two year deal?
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06-05-2021, 07:31 PM
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#153
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
What if the Flames don’t offer a two year deal?
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So not offer anything at all? Then I guess they go their separate ways and we hope to get a good return from him. That would be a mistake in my opinion.
If you mean they'll offer something long term (like a 4-5 year deal) on a reasonable dollar amount that benefits both sides, then I am sure Mangiapane stays
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06-05-2021, 07:32 PM
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#154
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
So not offer anything at all? Then I guess they go their separate ways and we hope to get a good return from him. That would be a mistake in my opinion.
If you mean they'll offer something long term (like a 4-5 year deal) on a reasonable dollar amount that benefits both sides, then I am sure Mangiapane stays
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They certainly aren’t going to offer a two year deal. That was my point
It’s unlikely he signs a two year deal because it won’t be offered
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06-05-2021, 07:37 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
They certainly aren’t going to offer a two year deal. That was my point
It’s unlikely he signs a two year deal because it won’t be offered
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So he signs a one year deal, and then another one year deal and goes UFA after that.
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06-05-2021, 07:42 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
So he signs a one year deal, and then another one year deal and goes UFA after that.
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That would mean he signs a qualifying offer that is lower than he deserves
Or the Flames offer him a one year deal
Neither are likely
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06-05-2021, 07:50 PM
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#157
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
He would be the type of player some team might give an offer sheet to. If under an average of 4.3 mill a year it’s only a second. Anything above that would be a first and a third.
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Offer sheets are over-hyped
Other than Aho last season, the last offer sheet attempt was Calgary to O'Reilly in 2013
The only succesful offersheets in the last 25+ years are Dustin Penner in 2007 and Chris Gratton in 1997
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06-05-2021, 08:27 PM
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#158
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
If Buffalo trades Eichel, they will want a premium asset to headline the trade.
I can’t imagine any viable scenario where those players are the best headliners they will get.
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Cobra you dunce, don't you understand advanced stats? Mangiapane is elite 5v5, he's basically Brad Marchand. Sabres would have to give up way more than some crappy player like Jack Eichel. [/sarcasm]
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06-05-2021, 08:38 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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Treliving has areas he's done well in and areas his history isn't great in. RFA contracts might be what he has proven to be best at, so I'm not worried at all and expecting it will be a for a good number and good term.
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06-05-2021, 08:42 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
That would mean he signs a qualifying offer that is lower than he deserves
Or the Flames offer him a one year deal
Neither are likely
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Or he holds out. Tkachuk did and got what he wanted. The money and the quickest ticket to UFA.
Plus he doesn’t need to sign the qualifying offer, he can file for arbitration.
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