[PGT] Flames beat Montreal, 5-2!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So, whatever this team’s problems are in the long run, Jacob Markstrom isn’t one of them.

First goal against, Markstrom made three saves before the Habs put #4 past him.

Second goal, Corey Perry makes a world-class play to Toffoli.
(Markstrom still almost caught it)

Monahan looks much more relaxed now that he’s away from 13 - looked like an actual hockey player last night.

It’s not about this year, but the playoff March continues.

No dispute on the second Habs goal, beauty pass and great effort

The first goal, yes, he stopped a couple first, but it was almost like Markstrom was trying to find a Hab with every rebound

All in all, he didn’t let anything else in, which is nice. Pretty easy game otherwise.

As long as the Flames keep the dangerous looks below a half dozen they should be fine

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No dispute on the second Habs goal, beauty pass and great effort

The first goal, yes, he stopped a couple first, but it was almost like Markstrom was trying to find a Hab with every rebound

All in all, he didn’t let anything else in, which is nice. Pretty easy game otherwise.

As long as the Flames keep the dangerous looks below a half dozen they should be fine

LOL

You are trying way too hard here - he saved the first 3, all from point blank range. If the Habs got 3 rebounds, that's on the D, not on the goalie who was clearly under siege at that moment.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

What does one game have to do with Jacob Markstrom not being a problem in the long run?
What matters in the long run is his old age, his high cap hit, his very long term, his injury history, and hic NCM.

Markstrom could've won a Vezina this year and I still would have been concerned about the last 3 years of the contract.

The fact that you are concerned, does not make it a problem

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

You are trying way too hard here - he saved the first 3, all from point blank range. If the Habs got 3 rebounds, that's on the D, not on the goalie who was clearly under siege at that moment.

Don't bother. This guy's posting history shows pretty clearly that he has an axe to grind against Jacob Markstrom.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The NMC... who cares. This franchise has developed exactly one goalie since Trevor Kidd, and they just traded him to Toronto. I’m confident that 5 years from now, we will have exactly 0 better options than Marky.

And all the NMC means is they can't move him without his approval. If things are going good in years 4-6 we have nothing to worry about. If things are going bad I don't think he would be against waiving it to go to a team with a better chance at winning a Cup. He just wants the final say in where he goes.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

You are trying way too hard here - he saved the first 3, all from point blank range. If the Habs got 3 rebounds, that's on the D, not on the goalie who was clearly under siege at that moment.

I agree the D should be battling for the rebounds, and he was under pressure, but rewatch it.

I don’t have to try. He is the one putting the rebounds where they are. His rebound placement has been, shall we say, generous all year.

If you asked him, he probably wouldn’t like it either

[GreenLantern2814]

30+ starters who’ve played in SCFs since I’ve been old enough to pay attention.

2020, Khudobin - 33
2019, Rask - 31
2018, Fleury - 33
2017, Rinne - 34
2015, Crawford - 30
2014, Lundqvist - 31
2012, Brodeur - 39
2011, Thomas - 36
2011, Luongo - 31
2008, 2009, Osgood - 35, 36
2006, Roloson - 36
2004, Khabibulin - 31
2003, Brodeur - 30
2002, Irbe - 34
2002, Hasek - 37
2001, Roy - 35
2000, Belfour - 34
1999, Belfour - 33
1999, Hasek - 34
1997, Hextall - 32
1997, Vernon - 33
1996, Roy - 30
1996, Vanbiesbrouck - 32
1995, Vernon - 31

Older goalies win you games because they know how to win you games.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Don't bother. This guy's posting history shows pretty clearly that he has an axe to grind against Jacob Markstrom.

That is quite incorrect, and not helpful in any way. I was quite impressed with him early in the year, thought he may never let a goal in again.

I am generally a goaltender apologist.

I posted and volunteered the opinion that I didn’t have an issue with the two goals the previous game. Including the Toffoli shot that was well placed. 14 inches, above the pad, inside the post. Goal scorer’s goal, Iggy scored many

Not helpful in any way.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Inferno

And all the NMC means is they can't move him without his approval. If things are going good in years 4-6 we have nothing to worry about. If things are going bad I don't think he would be against waiving it to go to a team with a better chance at winning a Cup. He just wants the final say in where he goes.

Why do we want to move him?

He’s a good goalie on a decent contract. We haven’t had that since 34 retired, what are we trading him for that’s better?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I agree the D should be battling for the rebounds, and he was under pressure, but rewatch it.

I don’t have to try. He is the one putting the rebounds where they are. His rebound placement has been, shall we say, generous all year.

If you asked him, he probably wouldn’t like it either

A better goalie coach could fix rebound control issues.

Nobody but Darryl should remain employed by this team from the front office following the draft. Not one coach, scout, Conroy, all of them.

Go away.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A better goalie coach could fix rebound control issues.

Nobody but Darryl should remain employed by this team from the front office following the draft. Not one coach, scout, Conroy, all of them.

Go away.

Totally agreed. Kipper was known for catching as much as he could and putting everything else in the corner

As for the staffing - I’m not opposed to this!

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why do we want to move him?

He’s a good goalie on a decent contract. We haven’t had that since 34 retired, what are we trading him for that’s better?

I agree. The only reason I would consider moving him the last half of his contract is if the team is a bottom feeder who don't look like they will recover before his contract ends and Wolf looks like he's ready to take over.

All I'm saying is that some people freak out about NMCs more than they should. It's more difficult to move a player if you decide you want to but not impossible.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ agreed, it’s more destination control for the player

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Who would've thought, the tough, puck retrieving player Johnny Gaudreau needed on his line would be Andrew Mangiapane.
seriously though. I love the way Mangiapane plays the game and that play against Petry to set up Johnny was pure brilliance on his part.

Mangiapane is pretty good at chasing pucks despite his size. Of course, on that play I have no clue what Petry was thinking.

Seems like Sutter is still experimenting. Puts Monahan and Gaudreau back together with Mangiapane, puts Dube back with Tkachuk and Lindholm, puts Lucic with Ryan and Robertson, puts Ritchie with Backlund and Nordstrom. Not sure any of those seem ideal to me but who knows. I think Sutter's fast line changes means that the combos get pretty mixed up anyway.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Speak for yourself. I love this team. I love it when the Flames win, and I was cheering my face off all game last night. Winning is fun.

GFG

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I didn't pretend to speak for anyone else.

I love this team no less than those who are cheering for the short-term playoff fun.

I am just done with 5 games every spring and think it's ok to demand more. Getting frustrated with what's playing out, which is deja-vu for what we've seen the last 20 years, is where I'm at.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I didn't pretend to speak for anyone else.

I love this team no less than those who are cheering for the short-term playoff fun.

I am just done with 5 games every spring and think it's ok to demand more. Getting frustrated with what's playing out, which is deja-vu for what we've seen the last 20 years, is where I'm at.

Well...I want them to win the Cup this year, flip everyone at max value and then win again next year. Is that too much to ask?!?!

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’m fine with your take as long as you didn’t like the Sutter hiring. The day Sutter was hired , there was no chance he would let this team roll over even if meant no playoffs. The day Sutter was hired in my eyes took them out of a top 10 pick. Truthfully as bad as Ward was I’m not sure flames would have gotten a top 5 pick. There are some really bad records out there.

My view with Sutter was it was overall a good move no matter the success this season, because we needed to definitively see if this is a coaching issue or a core issue. If it were a core issue, Darryl would fast-track that discovery, expediting some off-season changes that are two seasons overdue.

I love Darryl for nostalgia, his candid nature, and bringing accountability to this group.

[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/rec...=10&final=true
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...cap134333.html
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/games/2300526