[PGT] Flames beat Montreal, 5-2!

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames top players actually looking like top players down the stretch is far more valuable than a few draft spots up.

Big time. When was the last time we can say that Gadreau and Monahan elevated their games when the intensity ramps up?

[dammage79]

^^^ Or reverting back to norms more accurately.

It's nice to see but silver lining always suck when it's been two years of wtf why can't they do this all the time.

I feel like we are being conned . A lot.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by dammage79

^^^ Or reverting back to norms more accurately.

Hahaha touche

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Inferno

There's going to be changes regardless of what happens. It just might not be as many changes as some people hoped for but I think that was unrealistic to think anyway. They're aren't a contender but they aren't as horrible as some on here like to think they are.

This is still a team who massively underachieved this season and as much criticism as Treliving deserves I don't think he's dumb enough to just think he doesn't need to change anything because they ended up barely making the playoffs.

And although he's not the GM I think Treliving respects Sutter enough to get input from him and Darryl isn't going to tell him everything is fine.

And if there is a GM change he's going to want to make changes.

I don’t think this team is horrible and I bet most that want us to tank don’t think that way either. Some are just wanting to see better and don’t see a team with low ranked prospect pool core players with contract issues and our leading dman being 37 getting better without taking at least a step back and retooling for a year or 2

For years I was personally optimistic about this team having guys like mangiapane dube Bennett and valimaki being added to our core and this team taking a big step forward. Bennett is gone dube and mangiapane are already producing. I’m looking at valimaki still having tons of room to grow but I’m not seeing much else that is top 6 potential right away making this team. Ruzicka and Phillips are the only guys we have. Can’t see them making a big impact and still need to see guys out to make room for them.

Adding a top 6 pick this draft and fixing the cap this summer changes the outlook of this team moving forward

[dammage79]

I enjoy Daryl Sutter post game pressers. Keeps it simple whith no beating around the bush.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I don’t think this team is horrible and I bet most that want us to tank don’t think that way either.

Many comments on here say otherwise.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Honestly? It does suck.

This isn’t a playoff team or even close to a Stanley cup team. So winning these games it’s pretty much lose lose which makes a team at this stage the hardest to be a fan of.

I’m fine with your take as long as you didn’t like the Sutter hiring. The day Sutter was hired , there was no chance he would let this team roll over even if meant no playoffs. The day Sutter was hired in my eyes took them out of a top 10 pick. Truthfully as bad as Ward was I’m not sure flames would have gotten a top 5 pick. There are some really bad records out there.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Many comments on here say otherwise.

The team isn't horrible save for consistency and effort. They play like they have been for the past 5 games we aren't having this conversation are we?

We all know what each player brings to the table. We all know there greatness here. The problem is and always has been putting it together and executing at a higher reat than they have been for years.

I can speak for myself when I say I'd be happy with losses if the effort was there even half the nights . At least make other teams earn it. But that's the problem. This teams been too easy to get get off their game, get shut down, dishearten them, shut em down when ahead. Thats the rub, we know what they're capable of and they haven't been able to do it.

So yeah, changes have to happen. Be abuse they've been too comfortable and in a protective bubble with no recompense for their effort.

Sutter can drag them up to speed but I don't think they're built to sustain.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames top players actually looking like top players down the stretch is far more valuable than a few draft spots up.

Well, Gaudreau needs space with the puck to be his best. Last night his goals came from being open.

With the lack of a legitimate secondary scoring line (Backlund Frolik doesnt cut it) on this team for the past 5+ years has had JG and SM facing the top checking lines from opponents, doubly so in playoffs.

It's put double the pressure on them and a top line including with Lindholm the last two years, as teams simply aren't scared that the other 9 Flames forwards will beat them, and they are right.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames top players actually looking like top players down the stretch is far more valuable than a few draft spots up.

Agreed, even if you still want to make changes in the offseason you want these guys looking good to get solid value back.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Honestly? It does suck.

This isn’t a playoff team or even close to a Stanley cup team. So winning these games it’s pretty much lose lose which makes a team at this stage the hardest to be a fan of.

Speak for yourself. I love this team. I love it when the Flames win, and I was cheering my face off all game last night. Winning is fun.

GFG

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[Inferno]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So yeah, changes have to happen. Be abuse they've been too comfortable and in a protective bubble with no recompense for their effort.

And I absolutely agree. I've been all for changes to the core since choking to Colorado. If you want to use baseball analogy and use 2019 when they had their best chance as the starting point they're now on strike 3 and there's no excuses anymore.

It's thinking that this team is horrible and that they should concentrate on gutting the team for draft picks and prospects that I don't agree with.

What they need to do is figure out which players no longer fit in and replace them with players who they think will. Whether that's through trades or free agency.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Flames top players actually looking like top players down the stretch is far more valuable than a few draft spots up.

Actually that's a really good point.

Moving back three spots in the draft is pretty small compared to having the value of some of the players you may look to move increase.

This summer is going to be interesting. If they make changes it will probably have to be a step back to take two steps forward in subsequent years thing. You're not going to get equal contributing players if they make big changes.

[Macman]

It was a good game again and a good win! When the Habs scored the first goal I was like oh no but the Flames pushed back and kept playing hard.

I loved Johnny's snipe and Lucic's goal, both nice goals. Johnny's a keeper as far as I'm concerned unless he wants to play elsewhere. He's going to put up points no matter what team he plays on.

I don't get all the talk about the draft honestly, yeah that's where we get our players from but that's a separate thing and we'll deal with that after the season is over, right now there's 10 teams worse than the Flames. We're in a battle for a playoff spot which is pretty normal for any other season, yeah it would be nice to be at the top of the division but we're not.

I think the Flames overall are a good organization and find it hard to believe that there may be people on the inside that want to tank just to get a higher draft pick. We can still get a high pick via a trade or trading up.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The pessimist may think that this is just another 'winning when it doesn't matter' run that all of us have seen in the past.


The optimist may think that this team has finally got it, and that Darryl Sutter has finally got this team playing the way he wants.


I don't think the pessimist is right in this case. I agree with Giordano that this team has been looking better for a little while now, and I think some losses were basically on 'puck luck'. At the start of the season, I felt that the Flames were winning games while looking like a crappy team, riding a red-hot PP and a God-like Markstrom.


Markstrom has been better lately, but he hasn't been 'godly' like he started the season like. I am regaining my confidence in him as he is upping his game, but he hasn't stolen a single game for a while. The PP hasn't really stolen a game for a while either. There haven't been a heck of a lot of 'lucky breaks'. They aren't playing a complacent team in Montreal right now - they are playing a desperate team that even sent themselves a message prior to this 3 game series by cancelling their own practice time. Flames out-competed them well.


Call me a silly optimist. That's fine. I just don't see this as the 'smoke and mirrors' that we have seen in the past. I haven't seen a team working this hard since Hartley. Say what you will about him as a coach, or as a systems' guy, or whatever - his teams worked hard. Darryl's team is working hard now finally. It took a while for the players to adjust to it - longer than I thought - but it really looks like everyone is fitting in to a Darryl team now, including Gaudreau.


Anyone that thinks a Sutter system is simply smashmouth hockey that only oversized players can be effective in, are simply not paying attention. This team is turning it around. I suggest some of you hop off of whatever bandwagon you decided to hop aboard recently, and return to the team you really love.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Macman

It was a good game again and a good win! When the Habs scored the first goal I was like oh no but the Flames pushed back and kept playing hard.

I loved Johnny's snipe and Lucic's goal, both nice goals. Johnny's a keeper as far as I'm concerned unless he wants to play elsewhere. He's going to put up points no matter what team he plays on.

I don't get all the talk about the draft honestly, yeah that's where we get our players from but that's a separate thing and we'll deal with that after the season is over, right now there's 10 teams worse than the Flames. We're in a battle for a playoff spot which is pretty normal for any other season, yeah it would be nice to be at the top of the division but we're not.

I think the Flames overall are a good organization and find it hard to believe that there may be people on the inside that want to tank just to get a higher draft pick. We can still get a high pick via a trade or trading up.

Johnny’s not a keeper. He’s a forward.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

No. He plays forward.

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Johnny’s not a keeper. He’s a forward.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Similar to the Flames fanbase!

[CroFlames]

Unless they make the SCF, I think nothing changes in the off-season plans. Making the playoffs or not won’t change the fact that the core will be shaken up.

If the GM bases decisions on these handful of games, well then he’s truly lost.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think they can. It would be nice to get in over Montreal but either one of these teams is going to get dummied by the Leafs.

Disagree. The Leafs are a regular season team - their D is mediocre, and their goaltending is a big question mark.

Sutter has the Flames playing very stingy defense, and Markstrom can win a series by himself.

Not only do I think the Flames can beat the Leafs, I will be betting on it (should they get there).

Montreal? Yeah, they've got nothing.