2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It could also be said potential for busts are high as well

Yup, supposedly a weak draft as well, so will be interesting.

[Ashasx]

I think Flames fans wanting Tkachuk/Monahan out as a means of a re-tool need to be careful to avoid a Hall/Larsson situation.

Just trade them all for picks and prospects.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think Flames fans wanting Tkachuk/Monahan out as a means of a re-tool need to be careful to avoid a Hall/Larsson situation.

Just trade them all for picks and prospects.

To be fair that could easily be a Bouwmeester deal where we get absolutely nothing for these players

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

To be fair that could easily be a Bouwmeester deal where we get absolutely nothing for these players

1. Feaster isn't the GM. We should be hoping for more than Reta Berra and a pick in return
2. Just because the Flames failed to capitalize on those draft picks doesn't diminish the value of draft picks.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Tkachuk is not the player we thought he was going to be and if anything he’s getting worse not better. Maybe it’s the whole covid thing or he’s too high on himself. Who knows but right now he’s overpaid, cant skate well enough and only seemed to work with Mangiapane and Backlund. For the right deal it’s time to move on

I just don't understand the thinking behind this, and am aware you are not alone on it.

Is he having a bad year by his standards? Yes. without question.

Do you dump players every time they hit a bad stretch in their careers? No, that is a sure fire way to stay mired in a cycle that never sees a team get better.

Prior to this season MT was 47th in the entire league in points scored/53rd in the entire league in points per game from the time he broke into the league.

Add to that all the other things he does defensively (last night not withstanding), his ability to get other players/teams completely off their games, his ability to draw penalties and his willingness to accept the blame for team struggles all on himself, I have no idea what the hell people want from him.

We have 4 seasons (293 games)of exceptional hockey as a sample size prior to this.

We also have part of one season (37 games) of less than great hockey from him (yet still 2nd on the team in pts) this season. A season that has been so effed up between when it starts, the protocols, the inability to socialize etc.

Yet we have a great many people wanting to use the last part of that equation and ship him out.....for what??? You simply aren't going to get a player of his abilities in return, unlikely to get a player younger than him that has been established as an NHLer, but hey you might save a couple million on the cap

Really really bizarre how so many have turned on him so hard.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

1. Feaster isn't the GM. We should be hoping for more than Reta Berra and a pick in return
2. Just because the Flames failed to capitalize on those draft picks doesn't diminish the value of draft picks.

There are ample examples of other teams making future based trades that amounted to absolutely nothing.

I can also say that

1. Chiarelli is not the GM we should expect more than a second pair D in return for Tkachuk
2. Just because the Oilers made a terrible trade doesn’t mean this is how it will play out for the Flames.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There are ample examples of other teams making future based trades that amounted to absolutely nothing.

I can also say that

1. Chiarelli is not the GM we should expect more than a second pair D in return for Tkachuk
2. Just because the Oilers made a terrible trade doesn’t mean this is how it will play out for the Flames.

Are you really making the argument that the Flames should avoid futures trades because the picks/prospects may amount to nothing?

I think I'm done responding for now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are you really making the argument that the Flames should avoid futures trades because the picks/prospects may amount to nothing?

I think I'm done responding for now.

No I am refuting your point it is the only deal to make. I don’t agree the only way forward for the Flames is moving Tkachuk at 23 for picks and prospects. That is all I am saying.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No I am refuting your point it is the only deal to make. I don’t agree the only way forward for the Flames is moving Tkachuk at 23 for picks and prospects. That is all I am saying.

Yeah...seems some want to trade Tkachuk for a chance to draft a player....like Tkachuk!

[Red]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I just don't understand the thinking behind this, and am aware you are not alone on it.

Is he having a bad year by his standards? Yes. without question.

Do you dump players every time they hit a bad stretch in their careers? No, that is a sure fire way to stay mired in a cycle that never sees a team get better.

Prior to this season MT was 47th in the entire league in points scored/53rd in the entire league in points per game from the time he broke into the league.

Add to that all the other things he does defensively (last night not withstanding), his ability to get other players/teams completely off their games, his ability to draw penalties and his willingness to accept the blame for team struggles all on himself, I have no idea what the hell people want from him.

We have 4 seasons (293 games)of exceptional hockey as a sample size prior to this.

We also have part of one season (37 games) of less than great hockey from him (yet still 2nd on the team in pts) this season. A season that has been so effed up between when it starts, the protocols, the inability to socialize etc.

Yet we have a great many people wanting to use the last part of that equation and ship him out.....for what??? You simply aren't going to get a player of his abilities in return, unlikely to get a player younger than him that has been established as an NHLer, but hey you might save a couple million on the cap

Really really bizarre how so many have turned on him so hard.

People want the highlighted, but are not getting it this year. Didn't get it in the playoffs either.

Is it a reason to trade him now? Not sure. But that 9M qualifier is not something to look forward to.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

By turning on Tkachuk I mean fans saying “this guy is the next captain” to “we need to move on he is not who we thought he was”

Let’s forget the last 4 years and draw all of our conclusions based on the last 37 games.

Awful season where only Lindholm has more points on the team.

It is risky to beat up on players playoff performances when they are 18-22. This guy scored a OT winner to win a memorial cup. He has scored goals with the goalie pulled and hit a buzzer beater before. He has been a factor that has won highly contested battles of Alberta.

Makes way more sense to make some significant changes over the summer and come back with Tkachuk next year than it does to shop him now.

I think you absolutely have to be listening to offers. Tkachuk next season makes $9 million a season heading into an offseason when he can basically qualify for one more season at almost $10 million before he hits free agency. You may feel comfortable handing this guy an 8 year x $9+ million contract but I'm not sure a lot of GM's would. The team needs to figure out his worth to the organization sooner rather than later and to me even if he does mature he's just not a dynamic enough player to sign to that kind of money and term.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Red

People want the highlighted, but are not getting it this year. Didn't get it in the playoffs either.

Is it a reason to trade him now? Not sure. But that 9M qualifier is not something to look forward to.

He was injured in the most recent playoffs...but the year before he was doing what he could. The whole team sewered after game 1.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think you absolutely have to be listening to offers. Tkachuk next season makes $9 million a season heading into an offseason when he can basically qualify for one more season at almost $10 million before he hits free agency. You may feel comfortable handing this guy an 8 year x $9+ million contract but I'm not sure a lot of GM's would. The team needs to figure out his worth to the organization sooner rather than later and to me even if he does mature he's just not a dynamic enough player to sign to that kind of money and term.

Nope.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope.

He does if he wants it.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope.

I don’t think he’s going to ask for anything less. There’s a reason why he signed the bridge deal of 7m and a QO of 9m, he won’t want to take less.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...seems some want to trade Tkachuk for a chance to draft a player....like Tkachuk!

Only way you move Tkachuk IMO is for an upgrade at center

If you can include him in a package for an Eichel, Barzal, Point type of player then sure.

But I wouldn't just be moving him for a grab bag of picks or prospects unless you know there is a bonafide top prospect coming back.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He does if he wants it.

His salary is 9...his cap hit will be 7.

Is that where we are at now?

Does anyone really care how much actual cash he receives or are we going to talk about what actually matters?

I get it. He is struggling this season. No one has questioned that but even in that scenario he is still among the top players on this team this season and when you add in his history he still a top shelf NHL player over the last 5.

People complain about this club and its mediocre ways...yet want to send the one guy up front that any team in the NHL would die to have on their roster.

Its just freaking weird.

[Weitz]

nvm

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by transplant99

His salary is 9...his cap hit will be 7.

Is that where we are at now?

Does anyone really care how much actual cash he receives or are we going to talk about what actually matters?

I get it. He is struggling this season. No one has questioned that but even in that scenario he is still among the top players on this team this season and when you add in his history he still a top shelf NHL player over the last 5.

People complain about this club and its mediocre ways...yet want to send the one guy up front that any team in the NHL would die to have on their roster.

Its just freaking weird.

I think people are concerned because his 9M salary next year requires a qualifying offer of the same amount.

Now, that doesn't mean it will require $9M to sign Tkachuk long-term. He can accept a long-term contract for any amount.

But it does give his camp leverage. If the Flames qualify him for 1 year at 9M, he becomes a free agent after that season. The Flames can avoid a qualifying offer and sign him long-term at a lower cap hit, but essentially, if Tkachuk wants to leave, he can leave.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...seems some want to trade Tkachuk for a chance to draft a player....like Tkachuk!

Some want to draft a player like Tkachuk...who can skate.