2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I think the interesting conversation at this point is who do we keep.

Mangiapane
Lindholm
Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

Add Markstrom, Tanev, Monahan, Dube, Tkachuk. Everyone else will probably be gone.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I think the interesting conversation at this point is who do we keep.

Mangiapane
Lindholm
Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

I don’t think any player on the Flames is untouchable. Perhaps Lindholm strictly based on his production/role and salary.

[Manhattanboy]

Do not want Monahan or Tkachuk.

Hopefully we can find support for JG and convince him to stay.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I don’t think any player on the Flames is untouchable. Perhaps Lindholm strictly based on his production/role and salary.

I agree that nobody is untouchable but I also think you can’t just trade the entire roster.

I think going forward Lindholm, Mangiapane, Dube, Valimaki, Hanifin, and Andersson are pieces worth hanging on to.

I’d be fine trading any of Tkachuk, Monahan, Gaudreau, or Giordano at this point. I think the only way you can justify a re-tool over a full tear down is if you can land Eichel while keeping Gaudreau, which I don’t think is realistic.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Do not want Monahan or Tkachuk.

Hopefully we can find support for JG and convince him to stay.

I’d rather have Lucic at this point than Monahan and Tkachuk

[Erick Estrada]

Maybe one of the few times I can remember in recent history where there's not a single Flame or Flames prospect that I would consider untouchable. They could trade anyone and I would be fine with it providing the return is fair. This is the least likeable Flames team maybe ever.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Do not want Monahan or Tkachuk.

Hopefully we can find support for JG and convince him to stay.

I think the chances of Johnny staying went out the door the day they hired Sutter. The 2 styles don’t mesh. I have no doubt in my mind that Johnny will ask for a trade at end of season . Granted flames brass probably feel it’s time to move on also.

I also wouldn’t trade Tkachuk . Finding legit top 6 pesty players is not an easy thing to do. Granted if someone offers a center for him then I would trade him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe one of the few times I can remember in recent history where there's not a single Flame or Flames prospect that I would consider untouchable. They could trade anyone and I would be fine with it providing the return is fair. This is the least likeable Flames team maybe ever.

How could you say the same thing about the 2010-2013 Flames?

I think people need to walk back from the ledge on Tkachuk. I don’t understand how Gaudreau seems to be getting a pass when he and Tkachuk have the exact same amount of points? One guy turned 23 this year and the other is turning 28.

The way this fanbase is seemingly turning on Tkachuk it won’t shock be to see him ask for a trade this offseason

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Add Markstrom, Tanev, Monahan, Dube, Tkachuk. Everyone else will probably be gone.

Why on Earth would you keep Sean Monahan at this point? I would rather keep Derek Ryan than Monahan, at least he does something. Deal him now while he still has decent value from his past work.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just don’t think Connelly is a good player and I think the fall of Gio is vastly overstated. Nobody seems to comment that he went from playing with other legit top pairing Dmen over the past several years in Brodie and Hamilton to plying with a guy who was on our third pair for large portions of the last 2 years.

Why should a recent Norris winner need another legit top paring defenseman to not be a poor player?
Seems like an excuse. maybe he's now just old and overrated.

I don't think a team is going to give up a significant asset for an old player with another year on his contract who needs to be sheltered by another good defenseman. not unless you retain a fair amount of his contract.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The way this fanbase is seemingly turning on Tkachuk it won’t shock be to see him ask for a trade this offseason

What do you mean fans are turning on Tkachuk? Is he special that he's not allowed to be criticized for poor play? He's had an awful season and at least twice this season he's given up on even trying to come back on a odd man rushes that resulted in goals. Throw in his tantrum against the Leafs and one really has to question if this guy is actually leadership material or if he's another Dion Phaneuf that thinks he's a leader but isn't. He's never been a dependable player for the team in big games or playoffs and given his contract situation it makes sense for the organization to shop him now when his value is near peak.

[442scotty]

Tkachuk is not the player we thought he was going to be and if anything he’s getting worse not better. Maybe it’s the whole covid thing or he’s too high on himself. Who knows but right now he’s overpaid, cant skate well enough and only seemed to work with Mangiapane and Backlund. For the right deal it’s time to move on

[The Original FFIV]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1376714553279475725

Wonder if mony or backs would interest them. I’ve always been interested in Kempe.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Why should a recent Norris winner need another legit top paring defenseman to not be a poor player?
Seems like an excuse. maybe he's now just old and overrated.

I don't think a team is going to give up a significant asset for an old player with another year on his contract who needs to be sheltered by another good defenseman. not unless you retain a fair amount of his contract.

Why do you keep saying he is a poor player? You are trying to paint him as a bottom pair D when he is still pacing for 36pts and playing in all situations. The guy is 37 so he is obviously slowing down.

Gio played with top pairing guys and they were often called the best pair in the league. It has been a couple years since that was the case but from 13-19 Gio with either Brodie or Hamilton was considered a top 1-3 pair in the league.

Andersson has never been a top pairing guy and he is having a rough season in year 1 of a new contract.

Retaining on the contract makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than taking a bad contract that runs a year longer just to get a pick that is in the late 20’s in a draft where the pandemic has made it incredibly challenging to scout talent.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I have a feeling Palmieri is coming to the Flames soon. Something the Flames will do to save the season.

Why? Makes no sense, at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Tkachuk is not the player we thought he was going to be and if anything he’s getting worse not better. Maybe it’s the whole covid thing or he’s too high on himself. Who knows but right now he’s overpaid, cant skate well enough and only seemed to work with Mangiapane and Backlund. For the right deal it’s time to move on

I think it is way too risky to draw these conclusions based on his play this year.

People seem to be giving Gaudreau a pass but they have the exact same amount of points.

People also need to remember he recently turned 23 he is younger than some of our prospects.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What do you mean fans are turning on Tkachuk? Is he special that he's not allowed to be criticized for poor play? He's had an awful season and at least twice this season he's given up on even trying to come back on a odd man rushes that resulted in goals. Throw in his tantrum against the Leafs and one really has to question if this guy is actually leadership material or if he's another Dion Phaneuf that thinks he's a leader but isn't. He's never been a dependable player for the team in big games or playoffs and given his contract situation it makes sense for the organization to shop him now when his value is near peak.

By turning on Tkachuk I mean fans saying “this guy is the next captain” to “we need to move on he is not who we thought he was”

Let’s forget the last 4 years and draw all of our conclusions based on the last 37 games.

Awful season where only Lindholm has more points on the team.

It is risky to beat up on players playoff performances when they are 18-22. This guy scored a OT winner to win a memorial cup. He has scored goals with the goalie pulled and hit a buzzer beater before. He has been a factor that has won highly contested battles of Alberta.

Makes way more sense to make some significant changes over the summer and come back with Tkachuk next year than it does to shop him now.

[Geeoff]

Given the uncertainty of this draft, I think the potential for steals is high. We should aim to have more than 7 picks IMO

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Why should a recent Norris winner need another legit top paring defenseman to not be a poor player?
Seems like an excuse. maybe he's now just old and overrated.

I don't think a team is going to give up a significant asset for an old player with another year on his contract who needs to be sheltered by another good defenseman. not unless you retain a fair amount of his contract.

He is not a "poor player" though.

He is not a Norris caliber, clear cut #1 anymore, but he is more than adequate and certainly way above replacement level.

Here is what Darryl said about him yesterday

During Monday’s morning availability, Sutter referred to captain Mark Giordano as “our best even-strength defenceman.”

Sutter was asked about Giordano’s ice time — tops on the team since the coaching change — and stressed that the column he watches is even-strength workload. He’d like to keep the 37-year-old captain in the range of 21-23 minutes at five-on-five, plus whatever he works on the power play and penalty kill.

“The reason that he can handle those even-strength minutes is that he thinks the game real well,” Sutter praised. “A lot of guys use a lot of energy figuring out how to cover up for their mistakes with their feet, where someone like Gio doesn’t have to. He thinks the game really well. He has a good stick. He has a good perception or idea of who is on the ice against him, so he knows where ice is and where to take ice and who he should be on, things like that.

“There are a lot of nights that you could take his game and use it as a clinic for your younger players to learn from.”

https://www.calgarysun.com/sports/ho...s-fall-to-jets

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Given the uncertainty of this draft, I think the potential for steals is high. We should aim to have more than 7 picks IMO

It could also be said potential for busts are high as well