[PGT] Flames Lose to Canucks by a lot of goals

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Then why did that same core overachieve in 2014-15?

It’s not as neat and tidy as you think it is just because you want to that the lazy negative take.

A perfect storm of comeback wins that helped to get them in the playoffs.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I advise you to look at this thread of mine:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=173212

So no, they weren't a top line in the league. They were a league that had a hot start, until teams figured them out. That carried through to the playoffs, and then the next season, and then the next playoffs.

You can't be a top line in the league if your center isn't a top center.

Was that from back when Monny was injured and stopped shooting?

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

If Lindholm is a better center than Monahan, why would Monahan center Lindholm? I guess this is just sort of my problem with the whole purple gatorade line.



Lindholm can't cover the defensive zone ice half as well if he's limited to wing assignments.



This is also my issue with Bennett on the wing in most cases. You're basically taking away these two players' best assets.

They just play first man back covers low in the D zone anyways. Listen to them in interviews. Gaudreau might switch out for Monahan or Lindholm, but even if Lindholm was the designated C, Monahan would play low if he is first back.

This isn't as significant of an issue as you are making it. Especially with those two, since they switch out to take faceoffs on their strong side anyways.

[Snuffleupagus]

Off to bed in order to watch Nasa's Perseverance rover land on Mars tomorrow, I hope I have a beautiful dream that has Simon and Nordstrom landing with it.

[gt4flames]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Off to bed in order to watch Nasa's Perseverance rover land on Mars tomorrow, I hope I have a beautiful dream that has Simon and Nordstrom landing with it.

Elon is that you? Wanna donate some BTC to some die hard fans?

[Britflamesfan]

Definitely need a new coach, but who in their right mind would come to this ####e show! Especially as they will know that JG will be off sooner rather than later and its now looking like our highest paid star has decided its not worth the effort to play for the rest of his team mates. Right now e is not worth 4m a year let alone 8m. What's he going to ask for as an RFA. He will be off to pastures new as soon as he can organise it.

The teams GM has had years now to decide if the current core is capable of winning the Stanley Cup and quite frankly its been obvious for the last 3 years that they are simply not good enough. Teams have worked out how to play our first line when it comes to the playoffs and our top paid man also disappears.

Time to move on from JG and get the best return you can for him, before he walks. I would also be looking at the 8M dollar man and trying to work out whether to keep him or move him on. With careful trading there is no reason why they should not be able to get some good pieces that actually may take this team forward quite quickly.

[Roof-Daddy]

Is it the coach?
Is it the players?
Should we be more patient?
Will they figure it out?
What's wrong with this player?
What's wrong with that player?
What year is it?
Is it ground hog day?

"They say we're young and we don't know
Won't find out till we grow....."

[Singularity]

Alright guys, when is the Ward stick throwing happening? Soon?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

You're a focus on the negatives guy (very much so) which is your choice but you think spreading that negativity around is ok. Some people can't stand overly negative attitudes - they just suck.

Why do you think people want to roll around in the filth? Why don't you just start writing that #### n a diary ?

I mean I am open to my opinion. I could come out and piss over your opinion (fanboy-ism, blind faith cheerleader, head in the sand), but I won't.

Flames are a great team, great organization, who have some of the brightest minds in the organization. That is why we have seen a strong team for decades, and why this cycle of the team, building and progressing to become a contender year over year since the hiring of the GM. The reason their elite quality just isn't showing is due to playing a desperate team, first game back after a road trip, back to back, no preseason, pandemic is hard, it's just the shot clock counter, it's the refs, it's just the coach, players don't try hard enough, it's the poor announcers/broadcast only raving about the opposition, blah blah blah.

It's fine to have differing opinions, usually we're better for it, in all realms of life. I respect that you have your view, let me have mine man. I'm just as big a fan as you are.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I didn't watch the game so I can't say too much.

Mangiapane's goal was fantastic.

I will say this though, every other team in the league has an injury on the 3rd line and they replace that player with a 4th liner. We have an injury on the 3rd line and fill the hole with a 1st liner and fill that 1st line hole with a call-up. Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL. So when they play badly it’s the coach, when they play well, it’s the players. Got it.

They rarely play well and when they do it's for periods at a time not games. Even in their wins this season they haven't had a single game where they totally manhandled their opponent as their goaltender has largely kept them in games they had no business winning. They hang on for their wins in close games but the team really hasn't played great under Ward since that 6 game winning streak. They have largely been a .500 team that plays just good enough to win some close games and lose some close games. The last time this team played really good hockey was the 2018/19 season.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They rarely play well and when they do it's for periods at a time not games. Even in their wins this season they haven't had a single game where they totally manhandled their opponent as their goaltender has largely kept them in games they had no business winning. They hang on for their wins in close games but the team really hasn't played great under Ward since that 6 game winning streak. They have largely been a .500 team that plays just good enough to win some close games and lose some close games. The last time this team played really good hockey was the 2018/19 season.

Ya I dont understand where some people see this team play well. 3rd period when they are down by 2?

I guess we see what we want to see.

[Red]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I didn't watch the game so I can't say too much.

Mangiapane's goal was fantastic.

I will say this though, every other team in the league has an injury on the 3rd line and they replace that player with a 4th liner. We have an injury on the 3rd line and fill the hole with a 1st liner and fill that 1st line hole with a call-up. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Remember when our top line C used to skat in to the zone and drive through traffic to the net instead of throwing the puck away?

Me neither. Not since #23 got here.

It's seeing plays like this that makes one wonder, why can Dube do that but not Monahan? How is a little guy like Mangipane able to drive the net like this, but Sean Monahan can't?

[GordonBlue]

has a player ever fallen off so much after winning a Norris?
it's like Gio threw every last bit of what he had left as a hockey player into one magical season and now has nothing left.

I always respected how solidly consistent he was.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

has a player ever fallen off so much after winning a Norris?
it's like Gio threw every last bit of what he had left as a hockey player into one magical season and now has nothing left.

I always respected how solidly consistent he was.

He’s 37. He seems like a guy that even if he got slower, he compensated by competing even harder. But I think we’ve seen starting in the bubble last year that he’s no longer a top pairing D. Only a matter of time until he’s a third pairing guy. Which is sad because it’s not for lack of effort.

[Nelson]

Lindholm is playing like the #1C this team needs for the playoffs. I am definitely opposed to moving him to the wing. When Ryan returns, I would ice this lineup:

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Dube
Simon - Ryan - Leivo

I think that lineup has the Flames’ best 12 skaters at 5 v 5.

[DazzlinDino]

I noticed the Canucks came out in the first cutting off the Flames passing lanes, especially in the first. Calgary was hemmed in trying to get the pucks out of their own end but Canucks were heading to intercept the passes before the pass was made. It was an indication that the Flames were a bit predictable. Still too many passengers, guys not showing up to play. No excuses for Matty, this is a team game and some of the guys like GIO won't be around much longer. He gets paid well to do what he is not doing.

If this was Tort's team Matty would probably be benched and so would a handful of other guys. 3rd and 4th goals were guys standing around doing nothing, they had to know there was going to be some pushback when they scored the 2nd goal.

[ForeverFlameFan]

The Flames need to make a decision: start the retool now, or go all in. It’s clear we need something to happen, otherwise, we’re going to be another first round exit.

Yes, I know we haven’t even played Ottawa yet. But, they tend to steal games that they have no business in winning. It’s pretty telling how “good” this team really is when Markstrom has an off night. We couldn’t keep it close at all.

What gives?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Red

Remember when our top line C used to skat in to the zone and drive through traffic to the net instead of throwing the puck away?

Me neither. Not since #23 got here.

It's seeing plays like this that makes one wonder, why can Dube do that but not Monahan? How is a little guy like Mangipane able to drive the net like this, but Sean Monahan can't?

You mean like the one where Eatbread scored. Reminded me of Joe Nieuwendyk, he used to cut in through traffic like that all the time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

has a player ever fallen off so much after winning a Norris?
it's like Gio threw every last bit of what he had left as a hockey player into one magical season and now has nothing left.

I always respected how solidly consistent he was.

Gio's career is basically unique. Undrafted, had to go to Russia, came back, reached new levels in his 30s and won a Norris.

The level of play he reached during his Norris season was itself highly unusual, so it shouldn't be that surprising that when the decline hit - it hit hard.