[PGT] Markstrom with a 37-save shutout over Montreal!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...this has always been my issue with that stuff.

Who decides what a high danger chance is? Does that not vary with who the personnel are in each situation? Who the shooter is vs who the goaltender is? How hard the shot was. Was it off a rebound? Etc...

So many variables and circumstances in a very fluid game cannot be boiled down to simple, static, black and white analysis.

Its why fancy stats are bogus. The methodology is not consistent and very open to interpretation when collecting data. It is not like baseball where events have a 1-to-1 or binary relationship. There is too much chaos and too much variation in hockey for these "advanced stats" to have much meaning. Gitta remember, they were dreamed up by Oiler fans to try and justify how good their players were when they were at the bottom of the pile! AS=NG!

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Did anybody catch backs took what looked like a spear from that little s** Gallagher ? Backs went down, though obviously didn’t affect him too much. Might have been why backlund didn’t ease up on the shot ...

See post #157...

[cannon7]

Markstrom had 5 shutouts in 227 games with the Canucks. Has 2 in 6 games with the Flames.

[foofighter15]

The negativity around here is getting close to Maple Leaf Fandom levels.
I'm convinced some of you won't be pleased until every player on the team plays like 1980's Gretzky.....and would still find something to complain about

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

The negativity around here is getting close to Maple Leaf Fandom levels.
I'm convinced some of you won't be pleased until every player on the team plays like 1980's Gretzky.....and would still find something to complain about

Or, you know, just look like a team that might make it out of the first round.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by New Era

Its why fancy stats are bogus. The methodology is not consistent and very open to interpretation when collecting data. It is not like baseball where events have a 1-to-1 or binary relationship. There is too much chaos and too much variation in hockey for these "advanced stats" to have much meaning. Gitta remember, they were dreamed up by Oiler fans to try and justify how good their players were when they were at the bottom of the pile! AS=NG!

A high danger scoring chance should have done objectivity, it’s just a shot from a certain area in front of the net.

That being said, officially the Flames had 4, meanwhile, you can count at least 6-7 just from the highlight package on Flames social media.

On the same highlights, perhaps technically one can count more fir the habs, but there’s a handful that are just jamming the puck into Markstrom’s pads - not really all that dangerous.

[sticktrick]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s no way Calgary only had 4 high danger chances.

I agree. I think Monny, Backlund and Leivo alone had a few each. They need to start hitting the net. Backlund, Monny and Tkachuk always appear to be shooting the lights out every time... and missing by feet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sticktrick

I agree. I think Monny, Backlund and Leivo alone had a few each. They need to start hitting the net. Backlund, Monny and Tkachuk always appear to be shooting the lights out every time... and missing by feet.

Leivo missed a bunch of nice chances. Monahan hit the net on all of his that I can recall. But they all hit Allen.

Backlund I can’t remember having much, in fact, I thought he blew a bunch of plays.

[Galakanokis]

I thought the Flames played well just that Montreal was better. I really like Montreal's game, reminds me a bit of Vegas with their skating and relentless pressure. That PK in the third was crazy just all out hustle. Can they keep it up is the question.

Markstrom, which has been stated many times was fantastic. Nice not to hold your breathe on weak shots from bad angles.

Nordstrom, Ryan, Leivo all had their best games. Thought Leivo-Backlund-Bennett had some good shifts late in the game and were finding some chemistry. Could be a very good 3rd line for the Flames.

Hanifin is looking great and I can see his role expanding as he gains confidence. Tanev is a great partner for him.

Tckachuk needs to be better, smarter out there. Way too many turnovers on cheap, tricky plays. Brought that whole line down.

All in all a pretty solid game against a team that was playing pretty well.

[JTech780]

Not sure how anyone can watch that game and think Calgary played well, Markstrom played well and stole the game. That's why they went and spent the money togrt him, so I am fine with that, you need your goalie to steal you game once in awhile.

My problem is that they just didn't play well in front of Markstrom and thought getting into a couple of scrums after the whistle was a good enough response after no showing last game requiring a players only meeting.

Aside from the scrums, a Dube hit, and blocking a few shots, I don't think they played much better than Thursday. That was a real concerning response.

[Gaskal]

Also really wish Tkachuk would stop going for the "sexy" play so much over the safer high percentage play.

[getbak]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1355915462362636289

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://twitter.com/user/status/1355915462362636289

The more dangerous play was ripping the helmet off of a guy who’s had concussions and trying to wrestle him to the ice.

[taxbuster]

I'll do a little dodging of the Negative Nancys here I'm sure.

I thought the Flames game was fine (I did miss some of the 3rd period as our daughter was having a Zoom gender reveal party for a portion of it). Not a masterpiece, but the shot-blocking was excellent, as was the commitment to playing as a group. I thought the PP was a bit suspect and off, and clearly Chucky and Lindy did not have good games. But they all play with confidence in front of Markstrom. Were they perfect? No - only the Oilers are perfect to their fans. Did they do well enough to win against a very tough opponent? Yes. And that is actually what matters.

Good teams are built by steps. This game won't make or break the season - but how they follow this game up might do so. Another lacklustre effort or two against the Jets would show that nothing has changed. A better and more determined, sustained one might show some hope for overall change.

No idea what to expect from these guys - and that is perhaps the most damning of all things. Even very good teams have crappy games, but the one following is usually back to the norm. That's the kind of consistency I'd like to see them build.

[greentree]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

The negativity around here is getting close to Maple Leaf Fandom levels.
I'm convinced some of you won't be pleased until every player on the team plays like 1980's Gretzky.....and would still find something to complain about

Too soft!

[Major Major]

I'm wondering if the flames might snap back to playoff lines at some point...

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Mang-Backlund-Tkachuk
Lucic-Bennett-Dube
Simon-Ryan-Leivo

Might be worth a look and see if you can maximize the second and third lines, who were both red hot at the end of last year. Monahan and Gaudreau look good as well.

It's a lot to ask for Bennett and Lindholm to move back and forth between centre and wing, but I think it would be great to have 2 looks they feel comfortable with.

[Enoch Root]

It wasn't a perfect game, but they came to play, and there was a lot more to like than the prior 2 or 3 games.

Hanifin was great. As was Tanev.

Bennett's best game of the year so far.

Backlund was better, but still some dumb penalties.

Big bounce-back from Valimaki and Nesterov.

Nordstrom's best game so fat, by a large margin.

And Goddamn, it's nice to have a goalie again. It's been so long that some people seem to be of the impression that the win shouldn't count.

[blankall]

I thought the Canadians looked good defensively too. Weber and Allen both had great games. It wasn't just a case of Markstrom baling us out. They kept talking about the Flames missing the net, but that was because there were no easy shots to take.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It’s not about dominating, it’s about effort. There’s a difference.

Yes there is.

And if you think the effort wasn't there, then IMHO, you are completely wrong.

[bubbsy]

Flames got the W, wasn't pretty, but they'll take it.

I do need to eat some crow regarding Hanafin. He looks amazing this season. Tanev definitely helps but Hanafin just seems much more patient in his play.