[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Texas lawmakers are putting forth a bill for a referendum on secession

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01...t-war-1015438/

Seems to be a little more serious than our own Wexit talk, as this is being spearheaded by actual government officials and not social media. In the end I actually think this would be the best course for America. Let Texas secede and take the rest of the Jesus belt with them, then the rest of America could actually progress up to the point of a modern first world nation

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Texas lawmakers are putting forth a bill for a referendum on secession

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01...t-war-1015438/

Seems to be a little more serious than our own Wexit talk, as this is being spearheaded by actual government officials and not social media. In the end I actually think this would be the best course for America. Let Texas secede and take the rest of the Jesus belt with them, then the rest of America could actually progress up to the point of a modern first world nation

I'm pretty sure having your second most prosperous state leave your country isn't the best course.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Mull

This lawyer seems to disagree, and wikipedia. Perhaps the penalties are being assumed based on legacy precedent?

The barring from holding public office is a consequence yes but it requires a second separate vote. Far be it from me to argue with a YouTube guy though.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/vi...f-impeachment/

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ing%20to%20Law

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not convinced Trump will be found guilty in the senate. They need a 2/3rds majority, and even though Mitch may have turned, there may be enough Republicans to support Trump still. It would be tight.

My concern with the Senate not taking up the impeachment immediately (but rather after Trump is already out of office) is that it allows many Republicans to say “well, he’s already out of office, so the threat is over, so what’s the point of conviction now?” And I’m sure someone will say that if is up to the voters to decide whether Trump should be able to hold another office again.

Such a delay lets them keeping claiming to be concerned without having to actually do anything at all really.

It is a wonderful strategy.

[devo22]

said it before, Laura Boebert is straight out of a GTA game. How many cliches can you put into a single person? Incredible.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

My concern with the Senate not taking up the impeachment immediately (but rather after Trump us already out of office) is that it allows many Republicans to say “well, he’s already out of office, so the threat is over, so what’s the point of conviction now?” And I’m sure someone will say that if is up to the voters to decide whether Trump should be able to hold another office again.

Such a delay lets them keeping claiming to be concerned without having to actually do anything at all really.

It is a wonderful strategy.

I heard some commentator say that they would need 100 senators to unanimously agree to go back in session before inauguration day.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm pretty sure having your second most prosperous state leave your country isn't the best course.

its mostly second due to its population, once you go to GDP per capita it drops down into the same as the rest of the southern welfare states

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

its mostly second due to its population, once you go to GDP per capita it drops down into the same as the rest of the southern welfare states

Well, since it has that population, it's second. The hit to the GDP isn't lessened because "per capita".

[JohnnyB]

Divisive social media fueled bubbles certainly play a part in fomenting cynicism about the democratic processes in the US, but so does just watching these elected representatives. Many of them, like Jim Jordan, are just embodiments of utter cynicism about democracy.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by woob

LOL at these Republicans preaching unity and peace after 4 years of anything but.

They blow with the wind.

Soon as they identified that continuing to vocally support trumps cause post insurrection would harm their image they changed their tune.

Pathetic invertebrates.

[octothorp]

I think it comes down to what Republican donors want. If there's a mood out there in the backing money that Trump is just too much chaos, that they need to circle their wagons and protect their wins and make sure he doesn't tank the party in 2024, then it'll get done. There's 2026 term people like Sullivan, Marshall, Ernst, Daines, Capito, and Cornyn who even if they were Trump allies before, might find that the combination of pressure from donors and party leadership are enough to make them decide that now's the time to abandon Trump.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well, since it has that population, it's second.

Yes but that doesnt make it particulary productive, you lose Texas you lose the liability to that vast population, less medicare welfare etc, in the end it evens out.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes but that doesnt make it particulary productive, you lose Texas you lose the liability to that vast population, less medicare welfare etc, in the end it evens out.

You lose Texas's Oil. Which they aren't going to let happen.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well, since it has that population, it's second. The hit to the GDP isn't lessened because "per capita".

If Texas did become independent you'd see people fleeing from Houston, Dallas, and Austin in droves, which is where that population is based. Texas is very close to moving into purple state category for national elections, I doubt very many of the democrats who live there would want to stay and live in a MAGA utopia

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I heard some commentator say that they would need 100 senators to unanimously agree to go back in session before inauguration day.

This is what's being reported, although Schumer has said that it's possible for the two senate leaders (himself and McConnell) to make an emergency call to return to session. Doesn't sound like McConnell will do that.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/12/schume...before-jan-20/



I think some of the political calculus here is that McConnell doesn't want his people making what looks like a snap vote against Trump. But once Trump is out of office, there's no rush and the senate can conduct a more lengthy trial with lots of witnesses, and Republicans can just let the public sentiment against Trump build.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes but that doesnt make it particulary productive, you lose Texas you lose the liability to that vast population, less medicare welfare etc, in the end it evens out.

Show your work.

[greyshep]

Just tuned in for a bit of this Impeachment debate in the house. Republicans really seem to be trying to use a false equivalency as their argument.

"but the BLM protests"

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The barring from holding public office is a consequence yes but it requires a second separate vote. Far be it from me to argue with a YouTube guy though.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/vi...f-impeachment/

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ing%20to%20Law

My understanding (which might be wrong) is that after he is convicted by a 2/3rds majority, a simple majority vote to bar him from public office is all that is required. That's totally possible if they convict him in the Senate.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by woob

LOL at these Republicans preaching unity and peace after 4 years of anything but.

I've seen many tweets circulating that liken the Republicans to an abusive partner that try to shame their partner into staying by saying if they leave they will be breaking up the family.

It's an amazingly accurate metaphor.

[photon]

I thought the SCOTUS said seceding was unconstitutional unless all the states agree like 100 years ago?