Can someone with a better understanding of US politics explain what is going on right now with the impeachment vote? Can they actually remove him today?
Does any of this mean anything, or is it all just grandstanding?
I may have mis-heard while typing out emails, but I'm watching it on CNN and it sounds like they are trying to charge him with treason?
I am not watching what is specifically going on today, but I think the answer to your question may be the reminder that the house votes to impeach and the senate votes on whether to confirm/convict. So the house can vote to impeach Trump today but they then would have to have the trial in the senate. If memory serves, McConnell had initially said the trial wouldn't be until after the inauguration, but he may have changed his tune now that he has started supporting impeachment.
I have not been following the specifics of this go round, but based on your question, I think its just the distinction between being impeached and then having the trial on the impeachment.
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I'm not convinced Trump will be found guilty in the senate. They need a 2/3rds majority, and even though Mitch may have turned, there may be enough Republicans to support Trump still. It would be tight.
And if he is convicted, Ivanka is already floating the idea of running in 2024.
Can someone with a better understanding of US politics explain what is going on right now with the impeachment vote? Can they actually remove him today?
Does any of this mean anything, or is it all just grandstanding?
I may have mis-heard while typing out emails, but I'm watching it on CNN and it sounds like they are trying to charge him with treason?
They can't remove him today. They can impeach him in the house today, and they will, but that doesn't remove him.
Removal from office needs to be confirmed by a vote in the senate. This likely won't happen in the time before Jan 20th.
Last go around he was impeached in the house, but the senate wouldn't confirm his removal, so he was impeached but still continued as president.
If the senate confirms this time, although it won't happen in time to remove him from office it will make him ineligible to run for presidency in future.
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To add to the impeachment talk, if he is found guilty in the senate (they confirm/convict), they could make him ineligible for the privileges of an ex-president.
No security briefings, no travel allowance, possibly no secret service detail (not sure about this one).
So there's potentially more reason to go ahead with it.
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I'm not convinced Trump will be found guilty in the senate. They need a 2/3rds majority, and even though Mitch may have turned, there may be enough Republicans to support Trump still. It would be tight.
I dunno....it does takes 2/3rds but its 2/3rds of who is there at the time not 2/3 of the 100.
With lots of republicans distancing themselves from Trump, others seeing there donorships starting to disappear, the defection of a few R Sens already and McConnell wanting to wrestle back power in the party...i can see a scenario where it happens quite easily.
A simple no show of 20 or so Senators would be all it takes and they dont have to have a vote one way or the other on record.
The whole Liz Cheney turning on him thing is a really big deal as well. She is as an established old school R as it gets....and those folks aint very happy right now.
I'm not convinced Trump will be found guilty in the senate. They need a 2/3rds majority, and even though Mitch may have turned, there may be enough Republicans to support Trump still. It would be tight.
It's rumored that there are at least 12 senators currently willing to convict Trump from the Republicans. They only need 17, so it's entirely within the realm of possibilities.
But yeah, I'd put the odds at 50/50 at this point. Perhaps McConnell will actually whip the votes to convict since he still has a lot of power over that body.
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I dunno....it does takes 2/3rds but its 2/3rds of who is there at the time not 2/3 of the 100.
With lots of republicans distancing themselves from Trump, others seeing there donorships starting to disappear, the defection of a few R Sens already and McConnell wanting to wrestle back power in the party...i can see a scenario where it happens quite easily.
A simple no show of 20 or so Senators would be all it takes and they dont have to have a vote one way or the other on record.
The whole Liz Cheney turning on him thing is a really big deal as well. She is as an established old school R as it gets....and those folks aint very happy right now.
Ya, it's tough to know. Repub Senators have teetered before, but almost all of them eventually fall in line.
They can't remove him today. They can impeach him in the house today, and they will, but that doesn't remove him.
Removal from office needs to be confirmed by a vote in the senate. This likely won't happen in the time before Jan 20th.
Last go around he was impeached in the house, but the senate wouldn't confirm his removal, so he was impeached but still continued as president.
If the senate confirms this time, although it won't happen in time to remove him from office it will make him ineligible to run for presidency in future.
Only being convicted in the senate wouldn’t make him ineligible to run again, I believe that would require a second separate vote to bar him from holding public office again.
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Only being convicted in the senate wouldn’t make him ineligible to run again, I believe that would require a second separate vote to bar him from holding public office again.
This lawyer seems to disagree, and wikipedia. Perhaps the penalties are being assumed based on legacy precedent?
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I'm not convinced Trump will be found guilty in the senate. They need a 2/3rds majority, and even though Mitch may have turned, there may be enough Republicans to support Trump still. It would be tight.
A 2/3rds majority of those that are present, my guess is that a lot of GOP senators will be catching Covid and having to isolate in the next day or so
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It's rumored that there are at least 12 senators currently willing to convict Trump from the Republicans. They only need 17, so it's entirely within the realm of possibilities.
But yeah, I'd put the odds at 50/50 at this point. Perhaps McConnell will actually whip the votes to convict since he still has a lot of power over that body.
I dont think McConnell whips the votes but my guess is in the back rooms he is making sure that 20 or so senators who arent running for reelection or represent moderate states where voting against Trump is a good thing politically are clearly encouraged to vote against Trump while any and every other Senator who cant do that politically are told to feel free to stay away from the house on the day
I dont think McConnell whips the votes but my guess is in the back rooms he is making sure that 20 or so senators who arent running for reelection or represent moderate states where voting against Trump is a good thing politically are clearly encouraged to vote against Trump while any and every other Senator who cant do that politically are told to feel free to stay away from the house on the day
Can you find 16 Republican senators that would vote in favour? I have only 11 here and I'd say of this list, there are probably a few who wouldn't actually go through with it:
Romney
McConnell
Graham
Toomey
Sasse
Murkowski
Collins
Lee
Paul
Rubio
Rick Scott
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I dont think McConnell whips the votes but my guess is in the back rooms he is making sure that 20 or so senators who arent running for reelection or represent moderate states where voting against Trump is a good thing politically are clearly encouraged to vote against Trump while any and every other Senator who cant do that politically are told to feel free to stay away from the house on the day
Realistically any Republican Senator that was just re-elected should be safe from any backlash. A full 6 years for the MAGA crowd to forget about what happened, a full 6 years to scream "AHHHH Socialism!" to whip up their own base.
They have a full 6 years to demonstrate that Trump was the monster he is, demonstrate how he betrayed the GOP and the United States. For others they have a full 4 years to do the same, and for others 2 years.
It's not like the elections are tomorrow.
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Even if you are running for re election why wouldn't you want to get Trump out of the picture as well? What if he gets behind a candidate and primaries you for no reason.
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