Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[Weitz]

wrong thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Weitz

wrong thread

There's nothing wrong with this thread. Edmonton is no good!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Leon Draisaitl - "People tend to forget that we were the best team in Canada last year."

Did I miss something?

Here's hoping that he and McDavid are this arrogant going into this season.



Lets hope that they've literally learned nothing and continue their defensively dead play.


I think its going to be a long season for them.

[topfiverecords]

I think the Oilers are too embarrassed to publicly announce their final roster.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Koskinen is at best the 4th best in the Canadian division behind the Flame, Jets and Habs. And I doubt he's fourth...

There are backup goalies that I would rank ahead of Kostinem. Rittich is a better goalie; Jake Allen might be better, and I think there is a case for ranking both Holtby and Demko ahead of him.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There are backup goalies that I would rank ahead of Kostinem. Rittich is a better goalie; Jake Allen might be better and I think there is a case for ranking both Holtby and Demko ahead of him.


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Holtby for sure.

Demko hasn't proven anything yet. But it's likely only a matter of time.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mull

The problem is I think this forum underestimates Staples.

Staples to me isn't some die hard oiler fan crushed each year the oilers loose.

No one is underestimating David Staples. The man is so astonishingly stupid that he publicly bragged about mistaking sinks for urinals.

And yes he actually is the most baffling delusional homer on the planet. It is most remarkable that he has a media platform to broadcast his idiocy.

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[Vinny01]

Zero chance Kostkinen is 4th best

Helleybuck, Price, Markstrom and Andersen all better and it is not debatable

[topfiverecords]

Price GP 682 2.49GAA .917%
Andersen GP 369 2.63GAA .917%
Hellebuyck GP 270 2.64GAA .917%
Holtby GP 468 2.54GAA .916%
Murray GP 199 2.66GAA .914%
Markstrom GP 270 2.80GAA .911%
Koskinen GP 97 2.91GAA .909%
Demko GP 37 3.03GAA .906%

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by shogged

cubic zirconia maybe

Naw, they deff those fake, glass-looking ones at Claire's

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Zero chance Kostkinen is 4th best

Helleybuck, Price, Markstrom and Andersen all better and it is not debatable

Koskinen is probably the worst starter in the league. And I’m saying this without an anti oiler bias.

Positive: he’s big and good coverage down low.

Negatives: zero puck handling ability, poor read of d zone, horrendous up high, poor glove hand, mediocre five hole coverage, limited mobility outside of breakaways, the list goes on.

At best, he would be a decent backup. Reminds me of Jonas Gustavson from a while back.

[Jacks]

I'm amazed that they only hand out a trophy, I assumed the intrasquad winner would get a banner.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There are backup goalies that I would rank ahead of Kostinem. Rittich is a better goalie; Jake Allen might be better, and I think there is a case for ranking both Holtby and Demko ahead of him.

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Easily. Allen is a career 2.50GAA .913%. Rittich 2.82 .908%.

Campbell 2.58 .916%
Dell 2.75 .908%
Brossoit 2.91 .906%
Smith 2.71 .911%

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Price GP 682 2.49GAA .917%
Andersen GP 369 2.63GAA .917%
Hellebuyck GP 270 2.64GAA .917%
Holtby GP 468 2.54GAA .916%
Murray GP 199 2.66GAA .914%
Markstrom GP 270 2.80GAA .911%
Koskinen GP 97 2.91GAA .909%
Demko GP 37 3.03GAA .906%

Last three seasons would probably be a better comparison.

Holtby for instance has slid hard in his last couple of seasons. I doubt Washington dumps him if it weren't for that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Zero chance Kostkinen is 4th best

Helleybuck, Price, Markstrom and Andersen all better and it is not debatable

The Athletic just had a goaltender team ranking (made by an anonymous panel of GM's and coaches) and the Oilers ranked 27th overall worst of all Canadian teams. Ottawa was next lowest at 22. This list wasn't made by fans or media it was made by GM's and coaches which is probably telling. Flames came in 5th overall BTW.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Last three seasons would probably be a better comparison.

Holtby for instance has slid hard in his last couple of seasons. I doubt Washington dumps him if it weren't for that.

Go to town.

On HF boards in the Oilers is Good thread.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Best regular season by a negligible point percentage. Tied for 2nd worst in the post season going by how far they made it.

Let's not forget how they lost that playoff series. It wasn't like they went out battered and bruised like the Jets or in knife edge series like the Leafs, they were out classed in 4 games by the Blackhawks.

This is very important. It was NOT a playoff series.

It was a "play in" series. They failed, and did not "play in" the playoffs.

It was most likely simply a slip of the tongue. But the Oilers did not make the playoffs.

Because they are no good.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Price GP 682 2.49GAA .917%
Andersen GP 369 2.63GAA .917%
Hellebuyck GP 270 2.64GAA .917%
Holtby GP 468 2.54GAA .916%
Murray GP 199 2.66GAA .914%
Markstrom GP 270 2.80GAA .911%
Koskinen GP 97 2.91GAA .909%
Demko GP 37 3.03GAA .906%

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Last three seasons would probably be a better comparison.

Holtby for instance has slid hard in his last couple of seasons. I doubt Washington dumps him if it weren't for that.

Career is very misleading - last three years is much better proxy but still doesn’t mean Edmonton’s goalies are any good .

Looking at the 7 "starters" over the last three seasons:

Hellebuyck: GP: 188 GSAA: 51.66 SvPCT: .919
Anderson: GP: 178 GSAA: 26.52, SvPCT: .915
Markstrom: GP: 163 GSAA: 15.56 SvPCT: .914
Koskinen: GP: 93 GSAA: 0.49, SvPCT: .911
Price: GP: 173 GSAA: -4.73, SvPCT: .910
Murray: GP: 137 GSAA: -5.01, SvPCT: .909
Holtby: GP: 161 GSAA: -23.45, SvPCT: .906

And the 7 "back ups" over the last three seasons:

Campbell: GP: 62 GSAA: 11.51, SvPCT: .917
Allen: GP: 129 GSAA: -4.04, SvPCT: .909
Rittich: GP: 114 GSAA: -8.36, SvPCT: .908
Smith: GP: 136 GSAA: -12.58, SvPCT: .907
Demko: GP: 37 GSAA: -5.19, SvPCT: .906
Brossoit: GP: 54 GSAA: -8.21, SvPCT: .905
Hogberg: GP: 28 GSAA: -8.29, SVPCT: .901

Winnipeg and Toronto have the best goaltending if you look over the last three seasons. Then I would say Calgary likely falls third after those teams.

Koskinen has okay numbers compared to the starter group, but problem is he's never actually been a starter. And his performance isn't that much better than Price/Holtby/Murray so you have to take into consideration how they are bonafide starters who have much better careers than Koskinen.

Plus I think the split in Edmonton will be pretty equal between Smith and Koskinen, so probably hurts there overall ranking too.

[topfiverecords]

oILERs are sure lucky Klefbom is on LTIR. They're $361k under the cap, using most of that room. They wouldn't be able to ice a full roster with his 4.167 hit.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

oILERs are sure lucky Klefbom is on LTIR. They're $361k under the cap, using most of that room. They wouldn't be able to ice a full roster with his 4.167 hit.

The added players because he was going on LTIR..