DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Maybe I don't understand enough of what happens with the logistics of rallies, but do they normally have what appears to be a "war room" like this for every regular rally? That much setup, that many people, and that many monitors? This looks like they were trying to observe the situation from a bunker-like atmosphere, although I suppose they could have used an interior space in the White House or something similar.

To me it look like a staging area for the president and his staff. With so many people around, I assumed it was needed for security and logistics.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347211835242647552

Looks to me like this was during the rally and prior to insurrection, with the Trump family in their little media tent or whatever you'd like to call it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Seriously? She invaded a US federal building with force. All of them are lucky it was only one person shot. There is no defense here. At all. If you mount an insurrection against your government you should go in expecting to be shot.

Originally Posted by V

Yesterday may have been grim, but it also gave us Elizabeth from Knoxville, and that, to me, was a big win. I’ve watched that video 30 times and laugh every time.

See....this completely baffles me.

They're planning an insurrection and...they're expecting that nobody is going to fight back? Why?

The mental gymnastics at play here are melting my brain.

"Storm the Capitol Building! Security, the Police and the Secret Service totally wont fight back! Its a revolution!!"

I see. What exactly makes you believe this? How did you come to this conclusion? What list of revolutions have do you have where the incumbent power doesnt defend itself?

I dont think there was a room-temperature IQ in that entire crowd. Cumulatively.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

One thing that can be said as a benefit to the way things went down yesterday, credit only to the pure ineptitude of the response, is that so few people died. Not even these people deserve the death penalty for what they did, they overtook a building and, again probably due to the fact that they're unorganized and are fighting for essentially nothing and they know it, weren't overly violent to the point of needing to be put down. Had many of them met a bullet, you can bet they would be seen as martyrs to the cause, creating a powderkeg and giving them some actual reason to attack government officials.

Again, this credit goes to absolutely nobody, it's just the way things went down, but there is a positive side to it. It could have been worse for everybody, including.

This is absolutely right. The outcome was far better than it ought to have been, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

What should have happened though is that a whole bunch of people should have been shot. So IMO you're right on: credit goes to nobody that the mishandling of this whole event worked out with little loss of life or bodily injuries, far less then would have happened if this had been handled by the book.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347031398176223233

I believe that everyone who stormed the building should be prosecuted. But if the FBI are looking for who deserves the harshest punishment, it should be the people right here. Directly engaging the police.
This is the difference between a protest and a riot.

The only disclaimer I have is that I don’t know who filmed it and from where (maybe the building had already been overtaken). But regardless, the people directly engaging with the police need to be found and prosecuted.

What a mess.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Sliver

How do we know this wasn't actually posted on Jan 5, though?

Even the URL is dated from the fifth (month/day/year):

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...ess-secretary-010521/

It was. Here's a capture of the page from 3:00 AM GMT on Jan. 6th (about 10 PM EST on Jan 5th):

https://web.archive.org/web/20210106...retary-010521/

Between this and the "Trump watching from the White House" video, people really need to apply to some critical thinking about what they're reading.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Maybe I don't understand enough of what happens with the logistics of rallies, but do they normally have what appears to be a "war room" like this for every regular rally? That much setup, that many people, and that many monitors? This looks like they were trying to observe the situation from a bunker-like atmosphere, although I suppose they could have used an interior space in the White House or something similar.

You're a strange animal, Ozy.

It's hardly a war room. They're literally in a pop-up tent you could rent at Good Time Party Rentals in Calgary. Their set up is similar to the one we had when I used to organize my company's Annual General Meeting at my old job.

[Locke]

Yesterday's events, in the words of the immortal words of Ron Burgundy....

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Maybe I don't understand enough of what happens with the logistics of rallies, but do they normally have what appears to be a "war room" like this for every regular rally? That much setup, that many people, and that many monitors? This looks like they were trying to observe the situation from a bunker-like atmosphere, although I suppose they could have used an interior space in the White House or something similar.

It's not a war room, it's a tent, probably back stage at his rally. He probably demands to see all the people while he is getting ready, so he can refill his narcissistic vile mung tank before heading out to the cheers of the foolish brainwashed masses.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's not a warm room, it's a tent, probably back stage at his rally. He probably demands to see all the people while he is getting ready, so he can refill his narcissistic vile mung tank before heading out to the cheers of the foolish brainwashed masses.

I see now the rally was technically off-grounds from the White House (on the Ellipse), making a staging area inside the White House probably a bit to far away. Makes sense, although I didn't realized they need monitors like that for the occasion.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It was. Here's a capture of the page from 3:00 AM GMT on Jan. 6th (about 10 PM EST on Jan 5th):

https://web.archive.org/web/20210106...retary-010521/

Between this and the "Trump watching from the White House" video, people really need to apply to some critical thinking about what they're reading.

Agreed. There was enough true horrible stuff from yesterday. Making fake claims just feeds into their narrative. Also that 6MWE shirt picture was from a December protest.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Maybe I don't understand enough of what happens with the logistics of rallies, but do they normally have what appears to be a "war room" like this for every regular rally? That much setup, that many people, and that many monitors? This looks like they were trying to observe the situation from a bunker-like atmosphere, although I suppose they could have used an interior space in the White House or something similar.

Are you really wondering why a pathological narcissist has his green room filled with sycophants and lined with TVs showing his 'yuge' crowds?

[Sliver]

Let's take a breath before we post, guys. It would save so much trouble if you fact-checked any claims before pecking it out on the keyboard. There's no race here and nobody cares if you're first to the board with any news.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yesterday's events, in the words of the immortal words of Ron Burgundy....

This version of the meme is much more accurate:

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

See....this completely baffles me.

They're planning an insurrection and...they're expecting that nobody is going to fight back? Why?

Because they are convinced in their minds that Trump should have won by massive landslide and police, security and everyone else would join their cause.

They don't see the world outside of their neighbourhoods. When you live in an area that is >80% Trump, and all you expose yourself to is FOX News, Newsmax, OAN, QANON, and social media, it is easy to become brainwashed.

I really think a lot of these people were expecting a heroes welcome and don't realize how many people actually hate Trump. They think the Trump hate is limited to small groups of far-left Antifas and Obamagates.

[Sliver]

Gotta say, the events of yesterday were a nice little break from worrying about Covid.

[shogged]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Gotta say, the events of yesterday were a nice little break from worrying about Covid.

Ya just gotta worry about the fall of democracy now instead, much less stressful lol

[Ozy_Flame]

I don't know how anyone can watch events from yesterday and not think that was just a massive super spreader event. With all the maskless shouting and spitting going on, it crossed my mine continuously.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Gotta say, the events of yesterday were a nice little break from worrying about Covid.

Completely agree - first time in months I didn't even go into the COVID forum...

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by New Era

All media is regulated to some extent. Not quite as dramatic or draconian as China or Russia, but the media is regulated in many ways. The same should extend to social media, which is pretty much the wild west.

Isn't social media being wild west exactly the reason why this coup failed, though? The point of free media, as I understand it, is to prevent centralized control over ALL the media and thus prevent head of state from mis leading the entire nation. Whatever propaganda some groups may promote, it would be countered by their opponents, thus making it impossible to manipulate the whole country in Gebbels style. I would say, it somewhat worked yesterday. It was a relatively rare occurrence when acting head of a country could not mislead enough people to stage a coup.