DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

Seriously? She invaded a US federal building with force. All of them are lucky it was only one person shot. There is no defense here. At all. If you mount an insurrection against your government you should go in expecting to be shot.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So facebook and twitter have extended Trumps ban to 14 days....which takes us past the inauguration.

This is awesome.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

They were storming a secured federal facility that contained the highest ranking officials in the entire government. They had ill intentions and were not allowed to be there after breaking through barriers, breaking down doors and smashing windows to get inside. All in an attempt to subvert a lawful election and a peaceful transfer of power.

Im not sure there has ever been a more justifiable shooting caught on camera than this one.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

Of course the capital police have authority to shoot. These people got well beyond where civilians are allowed to wander. Barricaded behind the door were a some senators, congress people and staffers. The rioters were warned to stand down and didn't. In the state people have been shot for a lot less.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

She was part of a violent insurrection and attempted coup/revolution. It was clear domestic terrorism and an act of treason/sedition.

Short of her going full on White House Down, I can't think of any scenario MORE deserving of lethal force.

Realistically there should have been hundreds of arrests and dozens of wounded/killed combatants yesterday.

That likely would have resulted in a similar end for law enforcement though, no? I know yesterday wasn’t the way to handle that, but I don’t know how they should have outside of a huge show of force to discourage that from ever even beginning.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

she's storming into a government building with a mob. I think you could easily justify it.
more so than a black man getting shot 7 times in the back with nobody charged. (for just one of many examples)

what more of a threat do you need? I'm just shocked more people were not shot. I don't know their intentions. I'd be thinking these people would likely be jumping me next and I might not survive a mob beating.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

This is awesome.

and incorrect.....its facebook and instagram as sleeping moose pointed out.

I expect twitter to follow mind you as this is a political hot potato they will want no part of.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

Considering that the Capitol grounds are reputed to be some of the most secure space in the country, and what we saw were violent actions of sedition, there should have been more shots fired. All of those officers could easily claimed they were under threat and would have been greenlighted to use lethal force. The Capitol Police have a reputation of being hard asses and taking no ####, so the fact they allowed this to happen with only a single display of lethal force is mind numbing.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That likely would have resulted in a similar end for law enforcement though, no? I know yesterday wasn’t the way to handle that, but I don’t know how they should have outside of a huge show of force to discourage that from ever even beginning.

This is the thing that bothers me the most.

These goofballs just showed their ass to the entire US Government. Nothing was done.

This will more than likely only embolden them further. Only feed their radicalism and their next plan.

That is the most worrisome thing in my mind. They just stormed the capital of the US with almost no reprecussions.

Mind bottling.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by transplant99

and incorrect.....its facebook and instagram as sleeping moose pointed out.

I expect twitter to follow mind you as this is a political hot potato they will want no part of.

Ah crap. I sure hope they do!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

The rules of engagement would be extremely different and have an extremely wide latitude.


It was a mob, in a Federal building, with most of the Federal Lawmakers at risk. They had been warned many times to cease. As well the tactical situation was unknown, How many of these terrorists were armed? We don't know, but I'm thinking that the assumption that there were gun toting morons in the crowd. So its not the usual put your hands up, get on your knees lie on the ground so I can cuff you scenario.



The rules of engagement were that deadly force was allowable if the mob acted in any and all threatening manners.


And before anyone asks about non lethal options, a rubber bullet at that range would have probably killed her. As would a lot of nl projectiles, and a taser is a terrible weapon in a mob scene, plus they could role in a tank with a water cannon as the doors are pretty small.


I feel bad that she died, she was a veteran who probably served her country well, but that's no excuse for being in that mob storming the capital.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

This is the thing that bothers me the most.

These goofballs just showed their ass to the entire US Government. Nothing was done.

This will more than likely only embolden them further. Only feed their radicalism and their next plan.

That is the most worrisome thing in my mind. They just stormed the capital of the US with almost no reprecussions.

Mind bottling.

Yet.

Have no doubt that most of those who were caught on cameras and are easily identifiable will be prosecuted....and to the fullest extent of the law that is possible.

Remember who will be in charge of federal agencies in 2 weeks.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

She shouldn't have made it as far as she did into the building to be honest, alot of those people are pretty lucky they didn't suffer the same fate

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That likely would have resulted in a similar end for law enforcement though, no? I know yesterday wasn’t the way to handle that, but I don’t know how they should have outside of a huge show of force to discourage that from ever even beginning.

That is part of the problem, even though they knew this rally was happening, they didn't make the necessary arrangements or plans, which for how high security is in DC is pretty remarkable.

[CaptainCrunch]

Also a lot of these mutts crossed state lines to take part in this and that's a major crime.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Robo

She shouldn't even have made it as far as she did into the building to be honest alot of those people are pretty lucky they didn't suffer the same fate

There is going to be a major investigation into the Capital Police, I would expect that every senior officer is about to lose their job.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Maybe they wouldn't have to ask for the public's help in identifying people if they would've detained and arrested people at the scene.

I know that seems reasonable but they were totally overwhelmed. the key was to de-escalate the situation and clear the building. There is so much video evidence that I suspect most of these people will be caught and prosecuted.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yet.

Have no doubt that most of those who were caught on cameras and are easily identifiable will be prosecuted....and to the fullest extent of the law that is possible.

Remember who will be in charge of federal agencies in 2 weeks.

True.

But what does this tell the enemies of the US? They are vulnerable. They are open to attack. They are weak.

And that is bad for everyone.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Ah crap. I sure hope they do!

I'm sure they will. It's no coincidence Facebook and Twitter are finally starting to be stricter now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347064818944118784

[V]

Yesterday may have been grim, but it also gave us Elizabeth from Knoxville, and that, to me, was a big win. I’ve watched that video 30 times and laugh every time.