[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[activeStick]

In other news today, Nancy Pelosi was voted in 216-209 by the House to be re-instated as Speaker of the House. 5 Democrats voted against her with 2 votes for people not running, and 3 votes for "Present".

[timun]

^Deliberate 'protest' votes, or totally clueless congressmen?

[activeStick]

Definitely deliberate protest votes.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by timun

^Deliberate 'protest' votes, or totally clueless congressmen?

Can you explain the option of the clueless congress people perspective here to me better?

I understand Nacy has had an effective career as the leader in the house, but what would make someone clueless for voting against her to try to push another vote for new blood?

If I understand the system right, this isn't the general election, where a vote against Biden is a vote for Trump, this is the house. A democrat vote against Nancy, is a vote for a new candidate. Given the dems control the house, it is unlikely they are supporting a vote for the republicans, just a different dem leader.

In short, I don't get the perceived issue with voting against Nancy in this particular vote?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Can Medals of Honor be stripped by a future president?

You might mean Medal of Freedom? Maybe they could add some kind of rigid criteria.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by troutman

Check out Losing Relatives to Fox News https://www.stitcher.com/show/184901/episode/79957476

There's an associated article for those who don't like podcasts:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...d3d?ri18n=true

[Mull]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

There's an associated article for those who don't like podcasts:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...d3d?ri18n=true

I am going to do the horrible social media thing of making a comment after only skimming an article. So with that context (feel free to embarrass me for missing the point)....

I don't think this is a fox news or right vs left issue- I think this is an issue of group think and people of all political spectrums finding safe spaces to have only their own perspectives echo'd back at them. This then leads to fake news turning into "real" news.

I laugh as this is a Huff post article and I feel they are a huge contributor to this issue in society. I recall some of their misinformation about how pipelines are built.

-Is Fox one of the most impactful? Probably,
-Are the viewers of Fox likely farther gone than the left? I think so, but I am bias as heck on this

However, this does occur on the left and the left won't self reflect. The left tends to gloat about how stupid they feel the right is. Critical thought and being constructively challenged on ones view points are leaving as we get into social media bubbles, which has the downstream effect of dividing us, which is killing us. Huff post should be considered a real contributor of this problem.

[PsYcNeT]

I'm curious what you think the leftist equivalent of QAnon is.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I'm curious what you think the leftist equivalent of QAnon is.

I don't think there is an left misinformation movement as well organized as QAnon, and this aligns with my post.

I stated I felt the Fox News viewers are further gone than the left.

However, my point wasn't that the left isn't as bad as the right, my point is the left needs to self reflect as well. Just because they are not as lost as the right (in my view), doesn't mean their misinformation doesn't cause real problems and hate towards the right.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Mull

I don't think there is an left misinformation movement as well organized as QAnon, and this aligns with my post.

I stated I felt the Fox News viewers are further gone than the left.

However, my point wasn't that the left isn't as bad as the right, my point is the left needs to self reflect as well. Just because they are not as lost as the right (in my view), doesn't mean their misinformation doesn't cause real problems and hate towards the right.

Fair enough. The article's main thrust isn't however "Grrr Conservatives BAD!", It's that newsmedia like Fox acts as a gateway or pipeline to crazyville, where people truly believe that all leftists are part of an (((international))) cabal of human traffickers bent on extracting adrenochrome from children's pituitary glands.

And more specifically, how this level of crazy has poisoned the well so much that there is little realistic conversation to be had anymore, and the resulting alienation of millenials from their boomer parents.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Mull

Can you explain the option of the clueless congress people perspective here to me better?

I understand Nacy has had an effective career as the leader in the house, but what would make someone clueless for voting against her to try to push another vote for new blood?

If I understand the system right, this isn't the general election, where a vote against Biden is a vote for Trump, this is the house. A democrat vote against Nancy, is a vote for a new candidate. Given the dems control the house, it is unlikely they are supporting a vote for the republicans, just a different dem leader.

In short, I don't get the perceived issue with voting against Nancy in this particular vote?

I'm surprised I need to hold someone's hand to understand this. As much as I find supporting the Republican Party unconscionable I still wouldn't put it past Democrat congressmen to be so blasé about their position that they weren't paying close enough attention to even understand what they were voting for.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by timun

I'm surprised I need to hold someone's hand to understand this. As much as I find supporting the Republican Party unconscionable I still wouldn't put it past Democrat congressmen to be so blasé about their position that they weren't paying close enough attention to even understand what they were voting for.

Sorry, please keep the hand holding going. I don't see how this addressed my question?

[nfotiu]

I think you guys are both mis-understanding each other.

I don't think timun is saying that they can't understand why someone wouldn't vote for Pelosi, just wondering about the logistics of the abstaining votes.

I know my congress-woman was one that voted present. She's campaigned on both of her elections on the platform that she would lobby for replacing Pelosi. So, yes, I think that the present votes are very deliberate, and vote for house speaker is a big deal that they'd all be paying attention to.

[photon]

Lin Wood is a lawyer that's been getting more attention during these post election lawsuits. His tweets have been getting more and more hysterical (and not the ha ha kind), even recently calling for the arrest of Pence and calling Justice Roberts a pedophile.

He's really losing his smurf today.

https://nationalzero.com/2021/01/04/...ed/#more-28530

“I believe Chief Justice John Roberts & a multitude of powerful individuals worldwide are being blackmailed in a horrendous scheme involving rape & murder of children captured on videotape. I have the key to the files containing the videos. I have also shared this information.” –2:11 a.m.

“This blackmail scheme is conducted by members of 10 of world’s most well-known & ‘elite’ intelligence agencies. One of those groups was hacked by a group known as Lizard Squad. The blackmail files of rape & murder were obtained by this group & copy was provided to Isaac Kappy.” –2:17 a.m.

“The blackmail targets are approached with a gun, a child, & a camera. The target is ordered to rape the child on video. The target is then ordered to shoot the child on video. The target is then owned & controlled by the blackmailers until blackmail evidence loses its value.” –2:22 a.m.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by photon

Lin Wood is a lawyer that's been getting more attention during these post election lawsuits. His tweets have been getting more and more hysterical (and not the ha ha kind), even recently calling for the arrest of Pence and calling Justice Roberts a pedophile.

He's really losing his smurf today.

https://nationalzero.com/2021/01/04/...ed/#more-28530

Guy is certifiably insane.

He also cast a "Psalms 91 protection" spell on himself at 1am, before sharing the "truth" about this rape/murder/blackmail conspiracy.

Crazy times.

[Fuzz]

The best tweets always come after 2am.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by timun

I'm surprised I need to hold someone's hand to understand this. As much as I find supporting the Republican Party unconscionable I still wouldn't put it past Democrat congressmen to be so blasé about their position that they weren't paying close enough attention to even understand what they were voting for.

Why the #### was this necessary?

[Pacem]

I've learned so much about the American system from this thread over the last 4 years.

What is going on (contesting of the election) is so bat #### insane. Does this now mean if a President is elected but his party loses both the senate and house that the USA will just nullify the President elect and just appoint their President of choice? Isn't that the precedent being set right now?

The way the seats in the senate are determined and with gerry mandering it is totally feasible that a President can be elected but lose the house and senate and then just have the Presidency portion of the election nullified. How is that a democracy?

Trump had 7 million fewer votes and 4.5% behind Biden. This is just insane. I said all a long to family when asked what's going to happen in the election. All year i have stuck to, come January 21st Trump will be President. So far I'm not wrong.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Pacem

Trump had 7 million fewer votes and 4.5% behind Biden. This is just insane. I said all a long to family when asked what's going to happen in the election. All year i have stuck to, come January 21st Trump will be President. So far I'm not wrong.

To be fair in the last Canadian election, Scheer obtain more votes than our current leader (beat him by >1% of the vote). It is a bit of apples and oranges given we don't have a two party system, but I do find it funny when Canadians point to the popular vote in the states.

This is almost zero evidence Trump and his allies can overturn the election given the dems control of the house (not to mention a million other things), why do you think Trump will be president on the 21st?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Mull

To be fair in the last Canadian election, Scheer obtain more votes than our current leader (beat him by >1% of the vote). It is a bit of apples and oranges given we don't have a two party system, but I do find it funny when Canadians point to the popular vote in the states.

This is almost zero evidence Trump and his allies can overturn the election given the dems control of the house (not to mention a million other things), why do you think Trump will be president on the 21st?

Also Canadians seem ok not even voting for their Prime Minister.