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View Poll Results: Who would you vote for?
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11-17-2020, 07:28 PM
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#6441
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Join Date: Mar 2015
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Originally Posted by Minnie
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Jeez, don't give him even more reasons to dig in. Wait 2 months!
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11-17-2020, 07:30 PM
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#6442
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Jeez, don't give him even more reasons to dig in. Wait 2 months!
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No kidding. STFU and stroke his ego, just keep him in check legally.
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11-17-2020, 07:31 PM
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#6443
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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11-17-2020, 07:39 PM
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#6444
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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That’s some Solid work by the republicans not destroying the country while Trump is on his way out. If this was something McConnell wanted the votes would have been ther
Mitt and Collins against. Grassley and Scott absent.
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11-17-2020, 07:43 PM
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#6445
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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11-17-2020, 07:43 PM
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#6446
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Ha ha, the Wayne County Board has re-voted and will unanimously certify the vote totals. Of course, not until Trump had a chance to tweet about it.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1328888344865087490
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11-17-2020, 07:50 PM
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#6447
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1328890638046261248
Driving out of wayne county
Seen rudy handcuffed to the bumper of a state troopers ford
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11-17-2020, 07:57 PM
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#6448
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
What does this even mean? This is the type of bafflegab that got that monster elected in the first place.
People voted
The votes were counted
What's the issue here?
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The vote is fine. The fact that there are even mechanisms of this type challenge. That the canvassing board is Republican and the Supreme Court in Michigan is Republican, all this is crazy. This whole charade by Trump will go nowhere but it might change a few things. I mean there's Republican vs Democrat all the way down to Sanitation Director.
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11-17-2020, 08:07 PM
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#6449
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
The vote is fine. The fact that there are even mechanisms of this type challenge. That the canvassing board is Republican and the Supreme Court in Michigan is Republican, all this is crazy. This whole charade by Trump will go nowhere but it might change a few things. I mean there's Republican vs Democrat all the way down to Sanitation Director.
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The same thing in theory could happen in Canada. The electoral officer could refuse to sign the final tally sheets. Eventually it would get before a judge who was appointed by a political body.
Norms are the only thing that protect democracy. Canada federally and Alberta provincially have had a significant destruction of norms mattering in the past 3 years or so. We are only 8 years or so behind if that. And Canadas system of government is far more susceptible with our elected dictator model.
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11-17-2020, 08:11 PM
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#6450
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Originally Posted by GGG
The same thing in theory could happen in Canada. The electoral officer could refuse to sign the final tally sheets. Eventually it would get before a judge who was appointed by a political body.
Norms are the only thing that protect democracy. Canada federally and Alberta provincially have had a significant destruction of norms mattering in the past 3 years or so. We are only 8 years or so behind if that. And Canadas system of government is far more susceptible with our elected dictator model.
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Too fractured regionally, in my opinion.
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11-17-2020, 08:13 PM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GGG
The same thing in theory could happen in Canada. The electoral officer could refuse to sign the final tally sheets. Eventually it would get before a judge who was appointed by a political body.
Norms are the only thing that protect democracy. Canada federally and Alberta provincially have had a significant destruction of norms mattering in the past 3 years or so. We are only 8 years or so behind if that. And Canadas system of government is far more susceptible with our elected dictator model.
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I don't think it can. The election officer isn't elected as a party member. There would be no motivation to sign or not sign the final tally sheet. Also, federal elections have a paper trail everywhere and party scrutineers pick them up every hour. It's a much simple system since the election is only voting for one thing, on one ballot.
If you're thinking of money and party nominations federally and provincially, that's a different story.
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11-17-2020, 08:16 PM
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#6452
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Speaking of Wayne County, I need to lie down after this.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1328882122724155393
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11-17-2020, 08:21 PM
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#6453
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlySports
I don't think it can. The election officer isn't elected as a party member. There would be no motivation to sign or not sign the final tally sheet. Also, federal elections have a paper trail everywhere and party scrutineers pick them up every hour. It's a much simple system since the election is only voting for one thing, on one ballot.
If you're thinking of money and party nominations federally and provincially, that's a different story.
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Returning officers are appointed, there is no guarantee that they are free from bias. There is nothing stopping a returning officer from refusing to sign off on the final results.
Most US states have a paper trail, Scrutineers don’t get to pick up ballots they just observe and report issues and can dispute ballots.
There is nothing in the Canadian system that biased individuals not respecting norms couldn’t break.
For Info: The Canvassers in Wayne county are appointed positions and not elected.
Last edited by GGG; 11-17-2020 at 08:28 PM.
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11-17-2020, 08:26 PM
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#6454
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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11-17-2020, 08:36 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I'm not an American lawyer either, but even here this isn't quite true. There's certainly plenty of latitude for making new and different legal arguments...
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Just a quibble: yes, a party can make new arguments at the appellate level, but I don't think it's strategically sound (if it was such a strong argument, why didn't you make it at trial?). But in my limited experience, appellate courts will very seldomly entertainment argument on issues which were not argued (and for which relevant evidence was not adduced) at trial.
Sorry to all posters who couldn't care less about this somewhat pedantic discussion.
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11-17-2020, 08:39 PM
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#6456
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
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It's all so much conjecture/conspiracy theory on my part, but I like to think that lately, some things they wait to announce until Trump has made an ass of himself on twitter about it, and then whomever/whatever puts out an announcement that flies in the face of his tweets. 
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11-17-2020, 08:55 PM
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#6458
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
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Originally Posted by Faust
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If the average person attempted to sabotage their workplace this badly before leaving, they'd be sued or arrested.
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Typical dumb take.
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11-17-2020, 09:01 PM
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#6459
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Originally Posted by GGG
The same thing in theory could happen in Canada. The electoral officer could refuse to sign the final tally sheets. Eventually it would get before a judge who was appointed by a political body.
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I guess. Judicial appointments are way less political up here, though. No one even thinks about whether a judge was appointed by one federal party or another, really.
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11-17-2020, 09:14 PM
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#6460
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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I guess. Judicial appointments are way less political up here, though. No one even thinks about whether a judge was appointed by one federal party or another, really.
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For sure it’s not bad yet, however it’s only Norms that hold that together. There is nothing inherently secure in our system. It works because politicians haven’t been bold enough to try to use it for obvious political gain.
If Kenny appointed a bunch of his people to the courts do you the ink the electorate would punish him?
My overall point is that all political systems rely on people following the rules by choice and given a lack of caring by the public and a lack of norm following by politicians no political system is safe from authoritarianism.
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