09-12-2020, 10:59 PM
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#121
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Well there is a difference between freaking out like the Flames hired a homeless guy to coach the Flames and thinking its not your first pick but Ward certainly did pretty solid with what he had
Its just crazy to me that the same people that constantly complain about how bad the roster is are also the ones saying the coach is terrible
Ward had a better record with Calgary than Gallant did with Vegas
Which roster is better?
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Would you bet on any team winning in a 31 team league?
Flames need roster changes before I bet on anything...but I would bet on Ward doing "well" with the right roster
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Originally Posted by dino7c
What's your point? hire Marc Crawford?
New coaches win cups all the time...you think the same handful of guys are going to win all the cups for the rest of history?
I have confidence Ward (or anyone else qualified) can succeed with this team assuming they make some needed improvements (goal, top 6)
Gallant had a worse winning percentage coaching Vegas than Ward did coaching the Flames...which roster is better?
Gallant had Vegas playing .551 hockey
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Originally Posted by dino7c
That was a really tough time to come in as a coach..why are we taking away win streaks? Who is good if you cut out their win streaks?
How good do you think the Flames roster without Tkachuck was in the Dallas series (Dallas that beat the Avs and likely the Knights)
I am all for roster change, I wouldn't be against a new coach, but I think Ward certainly did well enough to earn a real shot. Its certainly nothing to freak out about its not like he had the team playing .300 hockey or something they were in the upper half of the league since he took over.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
.612 hockey coaching a team with multiple issues
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I was going to come in and say my piece about giving Ward a chance, but I can't say anything that wasn't already covered concisely by dino7c. Good job, man!
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09-12-2020, 10:59 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I'm fine with it if this ends up being true. I really don't think coaching was the issue, nor did I hold my breath that any of the interesting coaching names were coming to the Flames.
I'm also not sure I buy that Ward is strictly a "players coach". Where is this information coming from?
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09-12-2020, 11:00 PM
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#123
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Well there is a difference between freaking out like the Flames hired a homeless guy to coach the Flames and thinking its not your first pick but Ward certainly did pretty solid with what he had
Its just crazy to me that the same people that constantly complain about how bad the roster is are also the ones saying the coach is terrible
Ward had a better record with Calgary than Gallant did with Vegas
Which roster is better?
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You are seeing that yourself, that's not what's happening. Ward isn't terrible, and most people aren't saying that. Heck, the Flames aren't terrible. But its not like our benchmark should be Edmonton.
People want this team and this build of it to result in a contender, not hover around mediocrity and early playoff exits. I want this team to win a cup. I'd like to see the team try to make the moves that give the greatest probability in that happening. Better players, better coaches, better trainers, better hot dog vendors. All of it.
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"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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09-12-2020, 11:02 PM
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#124
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DazzlinDino
We were talking about the coach, but you brought up the players being an issue. If the players are the issue and not the coach, then we still have a problem. If the GM is bringing in the wrong mix of players and building the top line poorly then that has to be addressed. Do you trust BT to bring in the right mix of players if you think Ward is not the problem?
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obviously the roster has at lot to do with the coach winning or not.
Mike Babcock greatest coach ever in Detroit and then dead last in the league in Toronto
Brad has not built a cup contending team and yes his job's on the line as is most GM's
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09-12-2020, 11:03 PM
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#125
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Igottago
That's is a hell of a thing to try to time right. Players and coaches hitting their development curves simultaneously at just the right time.
This team has tried no resume coaches for years now. It hasn't worked. It could work this time I guess, but would you bet on it?
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The Flames most successful coaches ...Johnson, Crisp, and Sutter.
The former 2 had never coached in the NHL before Calgary.
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09-12-2020, 11:05 PM
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#126
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Igottago
You are seeing that yourself, that's not what's happening. Ward isn't terrible, and most people aren't saying that. Heck, the Flames aren't terrible. But its not like our benchmark should be Edmonton.
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Edmonton is terrible.
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People want this team and this build of it to result in a contender, not hover around mediocrity and early playoff exits. I want this team to win a cup. I'd like to see the team try to make the moves that give the greatest probability in that happening. Better players, better coaches, better trainers, better hot dog vendors. All of it.
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This is what everyone wants.
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09-12-2020, 11:10 PM
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#127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by timbit
The Flames most successful coaches ...Johnson, Crisp, and Sutter.
The former 2 had never coached in the NHL before Calgary.
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So I guess we hope and pray that the Flames have a 1989 again? Sure I guess.
The Flames shouldn't be their own blueprint for success given the team's playoff history the last 30 years.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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09-12-2020, 11:11 PM
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#128
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Franchise Player
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ugh. On we go spinning our wheels. Keep being first round fodder if we're 'lucky' enough to make the playoffs.
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09-12-2020, 11:14 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Igottago
So I guess we hope and pray that the Flames have a 1989 again? Sure I guess.
The Flames shouldn't be their own blueprint for success given the team's playoff history the last 30 years.
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There are 31 teams in the NHL.
1 WINNER every year.
30 LOSERS every year.
Tough gig.
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09-12-2020, 11:15 PM
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#130
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Destined for continued mediocrity if this is true
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09-12-2020, 11:15 PM
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#131
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by iamca
Destined for mediocrity if this is true
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That, or the Cup.
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09-12-2020, 11:17 PM
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#132
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Franchise Player
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Tre in on everyone right?
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09-12-2020, 11:18 PM
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#133
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by timbit
There are 31 teams in the NHL.
1 WINNER every year.
30 LOSERS every year.
Tough gig.
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And who is suggesting the Flames should win the cup every year?
A 2nd or 3rd round playoff series here or there sure would be nice. Maybe a sniff at contention more than twice per human lifetime?
Too much to ask?
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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09-12-2020, 11:19 PM
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#134
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
Tre in on everyone right?
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He called me two weeks ago. You?
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09-12-2020, 11:19 PM
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#135
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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How many coaches do we have to go through before we realise the problem lies with the core.
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09-12-2020, 11:19 PM
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#136
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#1 Goaltender
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I don’t mind this at all. Seems like that isn’t the popular opinion, but players responded really well to him in the middle of a crazy season.
He instilled a lot of self belief and motivation in this group. Players seem to respect him. I think he’s only going to get better as a coach.
We were missing out best player and were 9 seconds from having Dallas on the ropes 3-1. The margins to win in this league are small. Bring in some more pieces to the roster and let’s see where he can take this crew.
My only real gripe is his Talbot pull in game 6, but it was a panic move and hopefully he learns from it.
With the reduced salary this makes the most sense. Ward is a good coach.
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09-12-2020, 11:20 PM
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#137
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Igottago
And who is suggesting the Flames should win the cup every year?
A 2nd or 3rd round playoff series here or there sure would be nice. Maybe a sniff at contention more than twice per human lifetime?
Too much to ask?
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And Gallant would do that for you? Who do you want?
Gallant seems to be a favorite but he has had one decent year and never won...his record is VERY average
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09-12-2020, 11:21 PM
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#138
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by timbit
The Flames most successful coaches ...Johnson, Crisp, and Sutter.
The former 2 had never coached in the NHL before Calgary.
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Don't forget Hartley who should never have been let go.
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09-12-2020, 11:22 PM
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#139
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by iamca
Destined for continued mediocrity if this is true
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Can I have next weeks 6/49 winning numbers???
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09-12-2020, 11:23 PM
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#140
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Igottago
And who is suggesting the Flames should win the cup every year?
A 2nd or 3rd round playoff series here or there sure would be nice. Maybe a sniff at contention more than twice per human lifetime?
Too much to ask?
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Oh sweet summer child...
If the Flames delivered success then people would want more of it and....well, thats just, like, really hard.
Mediocrity is just so much easier. And cheaper.
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