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TheScorpion · 09-12-2020, 10:34 PM

One correction, Berube had previously been the HC of the Flyers. Wasn't particularly notable there.

timbit · 09-12-2020, 10:36 PM

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One correction, Berube had previously been the HC of the Flyers. Wasn't particularly notable there.

Thanks! True enough....doesn’t change my point.

Igottago · 09-12-2020, 10:37 PM

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Would people be happy with Rick Bowness or Craig Berube as the Flames HC ?

The Blues and Stars are happy with them!

The former had not been a head coach in the NHL in nearly 2 decades . Berube had never been a HC.

Right player mix and right coach at the right time.

That's is a hell of a thing to try to time right. Players and coaches hitting their development curves simultaneously at just the right time.
This team has tried no resume coaches for years now. It hasn't worked. It could work this time I guess, but would you bet on it?

Dion · 09-12-2020, 10:38 PM

I must be the only one here who would happy if Ward is given the HC duties.

Locke · 09-12-2020, 10:38 PM

Didnt read everything, but I hope Treliving is sure this time.

Because if this coach doesnt work out its most likely that his will not be the only ass kicked out the door.

tvp2003 · 09-12-2020, 10:39 PM

Treliving is obviously just waiting to see where Dallas finishes this season, as a gauge to determine how well Ward did this year despite losing in the first round.

If Dallas wins the Conference Finals, Ward gets re-hired and a one-year deal.
If Dallas wins the Cup, Ward gets a three-year deal.
If Dallas wins the Cup in five or less games, Ward gets a five year deal.

What could go wrong?

dino7c · 09-12-2020, 10:39 PM

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That's is a hell of a thing to try to time right. Players and coaches hitting their development curves simultaneously at just the right time.
This team has tried no resume coaches for years now. It hasn't worked. It could work this time I guess, but would you bet on it?

Would you bet on any team winning in a 31 team league?

Flames need roster changes before I bet on anything...but I would bet on Ward doing "well" with the right roster

Strange Brew · 09-12-2020, 10:41 PM

I don’t hate Ward but the goalie pull in game 6 was awful. Did he have no read on how unprepared Rittich was to play?

I have long thought this group of players needed a head coach who had won at the NHL level to get their attention. Maybe Ward is able to do it based on his accomplishments as an assistant. They did play hard for him in the playoffs IMO.

I’d have a stronger opinion if I had some inkling of what the plan is for the roster. On balance I’m more fearful of this off-season than I am excited.

Locke · 09-12-2020, 10:43 PM

I actually like Ward, as an Assistant.

He makes too many rookie mistakes with a veteran roster.

Your coach has to give you an edge, not dull it.

zamler · 09-12-2020, 10:43 PM

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Would you bet on any team winning in a 31 team league?

Flames need roster changes before I bet on anything...but I would bet on Ward doing "well" with the right roster

Swap Ward into the HC slot of the last 10 Cup winners, how many do you think still win?

dino7c · 09-12-2020, 10:44 PM

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It's pretty amazing that before this news, the poll thread said that 85% of this forum wanted Ward gone, yet this thread seems to be much more in support of keeping him.

What changed?

Well there is a difference between freaking out like the Flames hired a homeless guy to coach the Flames and thinking its not your first pick but Ward certainly did pretty solid with what he had

Its just crazy to me that the same people that constantly complain about how bad the roster is are also the ones saying the coach is terrible

Ward had a better record with Calgary than Gallant did with Vegas

Which roster is better?

Crown Royal · 09-12-2020, 10:45 PM

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It's pretty amazing that before this news, the poll thread said that 85% of this forum wanted Ward gone, yet this thread seems to be much more in support of keeping him.

What changed?

I don't think anything changed. Most people are saying they wouldn't have picked Ward, but understand that due to current economics and what he actually accomplished in a crappy situation.

It is possible to not like a choice but actually understand why it was made.

DazzlinDino · 09-12-2020, 10:45 PM

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Would you bet on any team winning in a 31 team league?

Flames need roster changes before I bet on anything...but I would bet on Ward doing "well" with the right roster

So your saying BT ism't doing the job. We can blame the players but someone still has to do their job. BT has brought in players that were a poor fit, gave them a raise then had to ship them back out. Do you trust BT to shake up the core what if he brings in another poor mix that Ward can't get more out of?

Flash Walken · 09-12-2020, 10:46 PM

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One correction, Berube had previously been the HC of the Flyers. Wasn't particularly notable there.

INTERIM coach in both philly and st. louis!

dino7c · 09-12-2020, 10:46 PM

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Swap Ward into the HC slot of the last 10 Cup winners, how many do you think still win?

Most? You think Berube is the reason a rookie goalie stood on his head? Did he channel that energy to the heads of the Dallas shooters so they would hit the post in double OT?

Hockey is a toss up, most if not all coaches who get to this level know what they are doing...at the end of the day players make it happen or not happen

dino7c · 09-12-2020, 10:50 PM

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So your saying BT ism't doing the job. We can blame the players but someone still has to do their job. BT has brought in players that were a poor fit, gave them a raise then had to ship them back out. Do you trust BT to shake up the core what if he brings in another poor mix that Ward can't get more out of?

I thought we were discussing Ward?

Obviously Brad's job is on the line this is the NHL

zamler · 09-12-2020, 10:50 PM

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Most? You think Berube is the reason a rookie goalie stood on his head? Did he channel that energy to the heads of the Dallas shooters so they would hit the post in double OT?

Hockey is a toss up, most if not all coaches who get to this level know what they are doing...at the end of the day players make it happen or not happen

I don't think it would be most, very likely none. Ward would inevitably be out smarted and out coached through 4 rounds. Nothing against Ward, but he's not a head coach and not a top tier coach either.

I don't think hockey is a toss up and the coach can be about anyone, just need the right combo of players. But if you think that, don't you want Treliving gone immediately?

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I thought we were discussing Ward?

Obviously Brad's job is on the line this is the NHL

And the guy that has the power to hire or replace him, seems relevant no?

DazzlinDino · 09-12-2020, 10:55 PM

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I thought we were discussing Ward?

Obviously Brad's job is on the line this is the NHL

We were talking about the coach, but you brought up the players being an issue. If the players are the issue and not the coach, then we still have a problem. If the GM is bringing in the wrong mix of players and building the top line poorly then that has to be addressed. Do you trust BT to bring in the right mix of players if you think Ward is not the problem?

dino7c · 09-12-2020, 10:57 PM

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I don't think it would be most, very likely none. Ward would inevitably be out smarted and out coached through 4 rounds. Nothing against Ward, but he's not a head coach and not a top tier coach either.

I don't think hockey is a toss up and the coach can be about anyone, just need the right combo of players. But if you think that, don't you want Treliving gone immediately?

And the guy that has the power to hire or replace him, seems relevant no?

What made Berube such a great coach suddenly? come on now...all those cup winners would be great with Ward behind the bench and he actually was behind one of them lol. To say none of them win is ridiculous.

PepsiFree · 09-12-2020, 10:59 PM

I said they shouldn’t keep him but they would, so if they do I’m not going to be surprised. I don’t really care why he’s the pick over a guy like Gallant, whether he didn’t want to come here or Tre didn’t interview him, because whether if Ward fails, the result is going to be the same either way.