2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No it doesn't. The team was the top team in the West a few years ago with a weaker lineup. Bring in the right coach to implement the right system and the forward group is more than fine.

Disagree, and that season I believe was dissected properly and showed they were only good before the ASG. Then they regressed badly and let that carry on until Ward took over. And even then we still only improved on our playoff run by only 1 win.

Theres a lot to do to get this team better, coaching is just one part of it. The other part is finding a better balanced offense with 3 lines instead of 1 line and a star LW on the 2nd line.

This team is ripe for a pretty substantial re imagining this year.

[1qqaaz]

Plus, a coaching change can change a lot.

Just look at the Islanders and Blue Jackets.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Icon

I wouldn't be shocked if this offseason, we:

- trade for Murray
- keep Monahan and Gaudreau
- see Brodie and Hamonic sign elsewhere
- sign a UFA D

Basically same lineup as last year except in net we go with Murray and Rittich.
On D:

Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Vatanen
Giordano - Mackey
Kylington

Hall signs in Colorado

I would be shocked to see Hall sign in Colorado. They have too much to worry about beyond this next season with big-money extensions coming due for Makar and Landeskog in 2021. They have six of their own RFAs to deal with this offseason, and Hall is not signing a short-term deal.

I think they spend their money on a goalie.

[AC]

Friedman was speculating Colorado could be creative and offer a top free agent like Hall a one year big money deal and "go for it".

I'm not sure how likely that is for a top UFA that wants to cash in and not risk a serious injury on a 1 year deal. I think it's far more likely Hall signs a long term deal if possible, and I think the Flames are one of the few teams that he'd be interested in that could offer such a long term deal at a high $ value.

Krug recently came out and said he is in no way interested in a short term contract as he's earned the chance to cash in big as a UFA.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They're going to be the fourth best forward group in a division that the bottom three teams are legit hot garbage. No coach will change that.

I suspect Miller returns to his usual 50-60 point production pace next season, so that will hurt the Canucks. Sometimes these flash in the pan playoff runs or seasons really get fans expectations sky high. Toffoli is a must sign though, preferably at around 5 million a year. PPG guy with the canucks, he has the wheels to play well into his 30's, give him 30 million over 6 years. That will round out the forwards a bit.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would be shocked to see Hall sign in Colorado. They have too much to worry about beyond this next season with big-money extensions coming due for Makar and Landeskog in 2021. They have six of their own RFAs to deal with this offseason, and Hall is not signing a short-term deal.

I think they spend their money on a goalie.

Yeah I think a lot of this “Hall to Colorado” noise is because of speculation with Johnston and Friedman talking about how he is placing importance on winning and how that may lead him to a one year deal - and they cite Hossa doing it - but it didn’t work for Hossa. Hossa didn’t win until he signed a team-friendly long-term deal with Chicago.

Originally Posted by AC

Friedman was speculating Colorado could be creative and offer a top free agent like Hall a one year big money deal and "go for it".

I'm not sure how likely that is for a top UFA that wants to cash in and not risk a serious injury on a 1 year deal. I think it's far more likely Hall signs a long term deal if possible, and I think the Flames are one of the few teams that he'd be interested in that could offer such a long term deal at a high $ value.

Krug recently came out and said he is in no way interested in a short term contract as he's earned the chance to cash in big as a UFA.

I’m pretty sure I read Hall talk about term being important to him as well at some point, but will have to look for the quote.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Virtanen was one of their better players this PO IMO.

I thought his playoff performance was one of the reasons he was looking to be on his way out. Two goals and one assist in 16 games.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by AC

Friedman was speculating Colorado could be creative and offer a top free agent like Hall a one year big money deal and "go for it".

I'm not sure how likely that is for a top UFA that wants to cash in and not risk a serious injury on a 1 year deal. I think it's far more likely Hall signs a long term deal if possible, and I think the Flames are one of the few teams that he'd be interested in that could offer such a long term deal at a high $ value.

Krug recently came out and said he is in no way interested in a short term contract as he's earned the chance to cash in big as a UFA.

Reminds me of when Selanne did that, but unfortunately, it didn't pay off.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect Miller returns to his usual 50-60 point production pace next season, so that will hurt the Canucks. Sometimes these flash in the pan playoff runs or seasons really get fans expectations sky high. Toffoli is a must sign though, preferably at around 5 million a year. PPG guy with the canucks, he has the wheels to play well into his 30's, give him 30 million over 6 years. That will round out the forwards a bit.

Possible, but seems more like a hope by a non-canuck fans. It's not like his shooting percentage was unusually high, or he was getting lucky passes through. For the first time in his career he was getting consistent first line minutes and first unit PP time with an elite center and a top flight goal-scorer on the other wing. I certainly don't expect him to hit 100 points, but I won't be shocked if he stays a ppg player and neither should you.

As previously stated: Toffoli is expected to re-sign so that gives the Canucks a top six of:
Miller - Pettersson - Toffoli/Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Boeser/Toffoli


Which is one of the strongest sets in the Western conference. If the Canucks fail to keep the momentum going next year, it won't be for a lack of offensive fire power. Defense and Goaltending are the two big question marks.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Reminds me of when Selanne did that, but unfortunately, it didn't pay off.

If I remembered correctly, both him and Paul Kariya did that, they both signed a $1M 1 year contract with Colorado which didn't work for them.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Possible, but seems more like a hope by a non-canuck fans. It's not like his shooting percentage was unusually high, or he was getting lucky passes through. For the first time in his career he was getting consistent first line minutes and first unit PP time with an elite center and a top flight goal-scorer on the other wing. I certainly don't expect him to hit 100 points, but I won't be shocked if he stays a ppg player and neither should you.

As previously stated: Toffoli is expected to re-sign so that gives the Canucks a top six of:
Miller - Pettersson - Toffoli/Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Boeser/Toffoli


Which is one of the strongest sets in the Western conference. If the Canucks fail to keep the momentum going next year, it won't be for a lack of offensive fire power. Defense and Goaltending are the two big question marks.

Mehhhhh.

"Strongest" is a strong word.

A lot of those guys produced out of their minds this past season. Reminiscent of the Flames forwards in 19-20. People were saying the same thing about our crop after that year but they fell back to earth a bit. Which most here were anticipating.

I dont think that train keeps chugging well into next year, but that top six is adequate and can compete.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If I remembered correctly, both him and Paul Kariya did that, they both signed a $1M 1 year contract with Colorado which didn't work for them.

Hossa did it with Detroit as well (although it wasn’t that cheap)

Was a trade deadline acquisition for Pittsburgh who lost to Detroit in the Cup Final in 2008.

Signed a 1-year deal with Detroit who lost to Pittsburgh in the Cup Final in 2009.

Finally signed in Chicago long-term and won his first cup in 2010.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If I remembered correctly, both him and Paul Kariya did that, they both signed a $1M 1 year contract with Colorado which didn't work for them.

Just Kariya did. Although Selanne opted out of his final year worth $6.5mil.

On July 3, 2003, the Avalanche announced the signing of Kariya and Selänne to one-year contracts. In order for the team to afford both players, Kariya took an $8.8 million pay cut from his $10 million salary with Anaheim the previous year, marking the highest decrease in compensation for a player in NHL history. At $1.2 million, his salary was below the NHL average, ensuring he would have the freedom of unrestricted free agency at the end of the season. Selänne, meanwhile, signed for $5.8 million.[125] Their deals were partially facilitated by goaltender Patrick Roy's retirement, which freed up $8.5 million in salary.[126]

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They're going to be the fourth best forward group in a division that the bottom three teams are legit hot garbage. No coach will change that.

4th? based on what?

1) Vegas

Second and third are debatable. You think the Canucks obviously, I disagree. They lack depth. the Flames are deeper.

After those 3, who else is there?

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Possible, but seems more like a hope by a non-canuck fans. It's not like his shooting percentage was unusually high, or he was getting lucky passes through. For the first time in his career he was getting consistent first line minutes and first unit PP time with an elite center and a top flight goal-scorer on the other wing. I certainly don't expect him to hit 100 points, but I won't be shocked if he stays a ppg player and neither should you.

As previously stated: Toffoli is expected to re-sign so that gives the Canucks a top six of:
Miller - Pettersson - Toffoli/Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Boeser/Toffoli


Which is one of the strongest sets in the Western conference. If the Canucks fail to keep the momentum going next year, it won't be for a lack of offensive fire power. Defense and Goaltending are the two big question marks.

You've gone full homer after a good playoff run that was largely due to goaltending. Boeser has really slid since his rookie year. Pearson is middling - a fine player, but nothing to get excited about. Toffoli is a fine addition, but if you think you're going to get what you saw in the playoffs for 82 games, you are going to be disappointed (and all that assumes that the Nucks manage to sign him).

Then there's Miller. Good luck on PPG - maybe Pettersson can drag him to that, but I doubt it.

Great 2 centers, pretty average wingers. Not 'one of the strongest sets in the Western Conference' IMO.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Mehhhhh.

"Strongest" is a strong word.

A lot of those guys produced out of their minds this past season. Reminiscent of the Flames forwards in 19-20. People were saying the same thing about our crop after that year but they fell back to earth a bit. Which most here were anticipating.

I dont think that train keeps chugging well into next year, but that top six is adequate and can compete.

Which of these guys produced "out of their minds"? Miller is the only one who would be considered an "outlier" season. Pettersson scored at a slightly higher rater than last year and will likely break out from there. Boeser was down in goals but up every where else, so more likely he will return to his goal scoring form than he will stop playing well. Horvat has gotten progressively better each season. Pearson and Toffoli are just good secondary scoring pieces who tend to be streaky but contribute in other ways when not scoring.

Canucks were the second highest scoring team in the Western Conference. I don't really expect that to change overnight.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

4th? based on what?

1) Vegas

Second and third are debatable. You think the Canucks obviously, I disagree. They lack depth. the Flames are deeper.

After those 3, who else is there?

Not sure how you'd come to the conclusion the Flames are deeper. The team has no first line center and the bottom six is on par with the Canucks. Flames lack the depth of the Knights. The top end talent of the Oilers and the while the Canucks aren't as deep as the Knights and their top end talent isn't as lethal as the Oilers, they still have more of both than the Flames. atleast when it comes to scoring.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You've gone full homer after a good playoff run that was largely due to goaltending.

Good goaltending, and timely scoring. All that scoring being done by the same top six that we're talking about.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Boeser has really slid since his rookie year.

Has he? Every number shows that he's a much better player now than he was in his rookie year. The only number that hasn't gone up is goals, but really he doesn't have to score alone now. He still has an amazing shot, he just has to get the confidence he had in it pre-wrist and back injury.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pearson is middling - a fine player, but nothing to get excited about.

Who said I am overly excited about him? He'll sniff around 20 goals/50 points while being a solid contributor both offensively and defensively. He's a solid second line winger.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Toffoli is a fine addition, but if you think you're going to get what you saw in the playoffs for 82 games, you are going to be disappointed (and all that assumes that the Nucks manage to sign him).

Again, I don't expect Toffoli to come in and be the PPG player he was for the Canucks. But I do expect 25/50 much the same as Pearson/

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Then there's Miller. Good luck on PPG - maybe Pettersson can drag him to that, but I doubt it.

Again, nothing Miller did this past year saw him doing anything out of the norm for himself. He just got to do it with an elite center and first unit PP time. I see no reason he cannot do it again. I am not expecting 100 points. But between 75 and 85 isn't that far out of line for an 82 game season.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Great 2 centers, pretty average wingers. Not 'one of the strongest sets in the Western Conference' IMO.

I'd love to know which top 6 units are better. Knights. Avalanche. But from a pure production stand point, there aren't many.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Possible, but seems more like a hope by a non-canuck fans. It's not like his shooting percentage was unusually high, or he was getting lucky passes through. For the first time in his career he was getting consistent first line minutes and first unit PP time with an elite center and a top flight goal-scorer on the other wing. I certainly don't expect him to hit 100 points, but I won't be shocked if he stays a ppg player and neither should you.

I dunno, just based on Hudler and Lindholm's respective big years as Flames on the top line with Gaudreau, I'm a bit skeptical that JT Miller will continue his scorching production even with Pettersson. I don't really mind if he does - but something about his whole season just seemed unsustainable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I thought his playoff performance was one of the reasons he was looking to be on his way out. Two goals and one assist in 16 games.

TBF, I didn’t watch all games, but to my eye when I did watch he was skating well, causing trouble in front and had quite a few good looks.

I’d like to see what his fancy stats were. I still like his tools.

[Blaster86]

Virtanen's tools are amazing.

It's his inability to use them all at the same time, and his inability to show up ready to use them that is most frustrating.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I dunno, just based on Hudler and Lindholm's respective big years as Flames on the top line with Gaudreau, I'm a bit skeptical that JT Miller will continue his scorching production even with Pettersson. I don't really mind if he does - but something about his whole season just seemed unsustainable.

Using a 32 year old as your comparable for a 26 year old seems... unfair. But okay.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Didn't he show up to training camp completely out of shape or something.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Every training camp since he was drafted. Including the Bubble camp.

Yeah, that's why he lost board battle after board battle and couldn't keep up with those around him. To the point he literally boarded a teammate in the scrimmage and loudly got called out by Bo Horvat about not being prepared to play.

Edit - I am a Virts supporter. I am going to be sad to see him go, but has has never come to camp ready to go. Not once in 6 years.

Absolutely ####ing never.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Virtanen's tools are amazing.

It's his inability to use them all at the same time, and his inability to show up ready to use them that is most frustrating.

Pass on James Neal 2.0, thanks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Virtanen's tools are amazing.

It's his inability to use them all at the same time, and his inability to show up ready to use them that is most frustrating.




Using a 32 year old as your comparable for a 26 year old seems... unfair. But okay.

I am not advocating signing Virtanen to anything but a value contract, nor using him in anything but a third line role, barring great improvement or injury. RW is a need for Calgary.