2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[AC]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Serious question:

Was Rittich actually an astute pickup or is he a replacement or slightly above replacement level backup?

I know browna has some opinions on Rittich...

I don't know how to really compare or judge goalies, but a .908 save percentage doesn't necessarily scream much to me? Alex Stalock just put up a .910 sv% over 38 games this year and cost the wild 750k x 3.

Goals saved above average or expected seems to be on par with Malcolm Subban, Louis Domingue, Peter Budaj etc...

37th highest paid goalie in the league.

Is it really astute to find a goalie in Europe who can put up a .908sv% ?

Cam Talbot had the same acquisition cost, was that also very astute or just the regular motions of getting free agent goaltending?

Hard to say as Rittich suffered injuries during the season the last 2 years.

I can't find when Rittich injured his elbow this year, but he was injured in the NYE game in 2018-2019.
Rittich up to that point: 13-4-3, with a .920%
Rittich after that injury: 14-5-2, with a .902%

This year before the All-Star game: 19-11-5, with a .915%
After the All-Star game: 5-6-1, with a .883%

He's looked pretty dominant for extended stretches, but hasn't been able to last a full season. Has it bad luck, or a chronic issue?

[Flash Walken]

He has a knee injury at some point too, right?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He has a knee injury at some point too, right?

Yeah I think that was the injury in the 2018 NYE game. Called lower-body, and Gillies was recalled in early January for the game vs DET.

[browna]

His injury this year was the All Star by default appearance and stickdropping in beating the Oilers in a shootout a few days later. Made his head swell.

[PaperBagger'14]

Lots of people here are afraid of change, and that we can build up our current roster. This is a reminder that our best post season appearance happened in 2014-15, shortly after trading away the old guard and losing a franchise goalie.

Since 2015 when they were fresh and new to the league, they've been an unstoppable force of playoff mediocrity. When Kipper and Iggy left, I thought we were looking at a long and painful rebuild. That wasn't the truth, we've been most successful when we were unpredictable, that's why I'm personally ready for a little chaos this off-season.

[Mr.Coffee]

The Flames need to blow it up. They aren’t winning with this version. It’s obvious, just get it over with and make a good strategy and follow it.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

For me it’s Gaudreau. His lack of ability to step up when games get meaningful and in the playoffs. Just don’t think his style suits playoff type hockey.

Teams key on and double team Gaudreau like no other flame, it's amazing to me nobody even try's to put blame on his line mates and specifically his no-show center who does dick to help him out. Gaudreau has more playoff tournament awards than any flame since Iginla. At the WCOH in 16 he out played McDavid, Eichel and Mackinnon even know only got 3rd line minutes from that donkey coach Todd McLellan.

He had a bad year no doubt but to claim he can't play meaningful games is just crazy giving his history as being a big game player since he was about 8 years old.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well Vasilevski was the top goalie picked in 14, and the next was Subban (yuck).
Markstrom sure wasn’t obvious. A second rounder with two goalie picked ahead of him and who hadn’t shown much when traded by Florida and even in Bahia first couple years in Vancouver.
Price was a #5 pick 15 years ago and no goalie has gone anywhere near that high since.
Rask was not obvious enough for Toronto. LOL
Gibson was well regarded, though the second goalie picked.
Hart, well, we’ll see. Looks good so far.

Bottom line though, you can draft one high and hope. But look at Gibson’s draft year: he’s the only one to have made an impact until Binnington came along suddenly.

Are you telling me Calgary should have drafted those guys and didn’t?

The Flames should draft more goalies to increase their odds of developing one. In the BT era they have drafted 3 goalies in 6 drafts. The Flames has not even had a legitimate starter during those six years, so it is clearly a position of need.

You would be hard pressed to find a team that has drafted fewer goalies over that period of time in the NHL. All the more perplexing when one considers it is the position that has the longest development curve. BT could try to address this in the next two drafts and pick say 3 more goalies to increase his odds and maybe one would develop into a NHL starter by 2025. Just perplexing as to why he drafted so few goalies over that period of time, given the lack of organizational depth at that position.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames should draft more goalies to increase their odds of developing one. In the BT era they have drafted 3 goalies in 6 drafts. The Flames has not even had a legitimate starter during those six years, so it is clearly a position of need.

You would be hard pressed to find a team that has drafted fewer goalies over that period of time in the NHL. All the more perplexing when one considers it is the position that has the longest development curve. BT could try to address this in the next two drafts and pick say 3 more goalies to increase his odds and maybe one would develop into a NHL starter by 2025. Just perplexing as to why he drafted so few goalies over that period of time, given the lack of organizational depth at that position.

Sure feels like he drafted a bunch and they have all sucked for one reason or another.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by blender

Centre depth is way worse than now.
Keep Backlund and you might have something.

Offensively center depth is head and shoulders better then it is now. Plus much younger.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Teams key on and double team Gaudreau like no other flame, it's amazing to me nobody even try's to put blame on his line mates and specifically his no-show center who does dick to help him out. Gaudreau has more playoff tournament awards than any flame since Iginla. At the WCOH in 16 he out played McDavid, Eichel and Mackinnon even know only got 3rd line minutes from that donkey coach Todd McLellan.

He had a bad year no doubt but to claim he can't play meaningful games is just crazy giving his history as being a big game player since he was about 8 years old.

If We had a center that could drive and create plays in the offensive zone it would help out Johnny immensely. Unfortunately I don’t see any team trading away a true 1c.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by browna

His injury this year was the All Star by default appearance and stickdropping in beating the Oilers in a shootout a few days later. Made his head swell.

After that game he was simply not very good and lots of goaltenders play through the season with nagging injuries so I don't buy that it's injuries derailing his seasons. I don't think he's got the head to be a starting goaltender as when things go bad for him it snowballs to the point he can't get back on track. He's like a lot of good goaltenders in this league that are more suited for a backup role because while very good in stretches they can't handle the load of a starting goaltender.

[Flash Walken]

Chad Johnson won 10 in a row didn't he?

Edit: .910 save percentage over 36 games

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sure feels like he drafted a bunch and they have all sucked for one reason or another.

He drafted ones with high picks which makes them high profile and when they don’t turn out, thru are high profile busts (McDonald for sure, parsons too soon to say)

They appear to have got it right with wolf. But man, would have loved for them to have picked cayden primeau with our 6th rounder over Joly. Pick goalies but use late round picks. As others have said, projecting goalies at 18 years old is hard

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Serious question:

Was Rittich actually an astute pickup or is he a replacement or slightly above replacement level backup?

I know browna has some opinions on Rittich...

I don't know how to really compare or judge goalies, but a .908 save percentage doesn't necessarily scream much to me? Alex Stalock just put up a .910 sv% over 38 games this year and cost the wild 750k x 3.

Goals saved above average or expected seems to be on par with Malcolm Subban, Louis Domingue, Peter Budaj etc...

37th highest paid goalie in the league.

Is it really astute to find a goalie in Europe who can put up a .908sv% ?

Cam Talbot had the same acquisition cost, was that also very astute or just the regular motions of getting free agent goaltending?

Any time you can add a player that can perform at an NHL level for a zero acquisition cost it's a feather in your cap and a good pick up.

UFAs are free in asset terms, but expensive in contract. Or cheap because they've already established their warts to the market.

Undrafted players that become prospects and than playing assets are always astute pickups.

Rittich is 25th in the last two years for NHL goaltenders in terms of five on five GSAA, he's 41st in GSAA all situations.

He's certainly not replacement level, but he may not be a starter.

I think he has the skills, but I wonder a lot about his mental makeup for the position.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Any time you can add a player that can perform at an NHL level for a zero acquisition cost it's a feather in your cap and a good pick up.

UFAs are free in asset terms, but expensive in contract. Or cheap because they've already established their warts to the market.

Undrafted players that become prospects and than playing assets are always astute pickups.

Rittich is 25th in the last two years for NHL goaltenders in terms of five on five GSAA, he's 41st in GSAA all situations.

He's certainly not replacement level, but he may not be a starter.

I think he has the skills, but I wonder a lot about his mental makeup for the position.

If I remember right, he stumbled alot after the stick flipping incident after the win against edmonton, and all the media blow back from it. I think you might be bang on about the mental aspect. But at the same time, he was lights out before that, and solid as a rock in net, and has a competitive fire. Maybe stability comes with maturity too. Way to early to write him off in my opinion.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Husky

Offensively center depth is head and shoulders better then it is now. Plus much younger.

Well, that's like...your opinion, man.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames should draft more goalies to increase their odds of developing one. In the BT era they have drafted 3 goalies in 6 drafts. The Flames has not even had a legitimate starter during those six years, so it is clearly a position of need.

You would be hard pressed to find a team that has drafted fewer goalies over that period of time in the NHL. All the more perplexing when one considers it is the position that has the longest development curve. BT could try to address this in the next two drafts and pick say 3 more goalies to increase his odds and maybe one would develop into a NHL starter by 2025. Just perplexing as to why he drafted so few goalies over that period of time, given the lack of organizational depth at that position.

The last thing the Flames should do is waste more (valuable) draft picks on goaltenders.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

If I remember right, he stumbled alot after the stick flipping incident after the win against edmonton, and all the media blow back from it. I think you might be bang on about the mental aspect. But at the same time, he was lights out before that, and solid as a rock in net, and has a competitive fire. Maybe stability comes with maturity too. Way to early to write him off in my opinion.

The knowledge that the organization doesn’t have confidence in him, can only hurt his confidence in himself.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The last thing the Flames should do is waste more draft picks on goaltenders.

Just don't waste any 2nd or 3rd round picks drafting or trading for goaltenders.
Neither has worked for Calgary.

It's probably more of a development thing, since that's the common denominator over the past 30 years, in both drafting and trading.