Flames Garbage Day Quotes

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Kadri thought if he blocked the trade to Calgary, he wouldn't get traded at all. He and his agent drastically mis-read the situation.


The day before the deadline the Flames had a deal set for Mark Stone, but Vegas came back the next morning and dangled Erik Brannstrom and the Flames wouldn't put Andersson or Valimaki in their deal.


Neither is a geography issue.

Agreed on Kadri.

But not so much Stone. I think it was Elliot Friedman that said Stone was hesitant to sign a long term deal in Calgary while he would in Vegas, essentially scuttling the deal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Exactly. What's the scope of his job? As discussed on CP Radio (shameless plug) it seems like PRO scouting is more of a weakness recently than amateur scouting - leading to poor decision with free agents (primarily) and perhaps some trades. (e.g. Lazar).

So if Conroy has been more involved on that end (I don't know if he has or not) then the decision would strike me as odd.

I’d generally agree - they didn’t do well on scouting Neal especially. The pro scouting seems superficial - counting stats and position. I have no insight on Conroy’s duties but I would have thought as an ex-pro, that would have been something he’d be involved in.

If they get rid of Tre (which I don’t think is happening anyway), I’d like to see them get an AGM from a successfully managed team. Someone who’s apprenticed under a known good GM. Or maybe a GM who’s been unfairly canned, like, Lou in Toronto.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Agreed on Kadri.

But not so much Stone. I think it was Elliot Friedman that said Stone was hesitant to sign a long term deal in Calgary while he would in Vegas, essentially scuttling the deal.

Right, I thought it was fairly well established that the price being asked was OK for a guy who would re-sign but not for a pure rental, and Stone wasn’t going to sign here.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right, I thought it was fairly well established that the price being asked was OK for a guy who would re-sign but not for a pure rental, and Stone wasn’t going to sign here.

I always wonder how these things get established. Different parties have different motives for leaking info.

I can understand why he may have preferred Vegas but was there a price point where Calgary was acceptable to him?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am making an assumption they have been grooming him to take the job eventually. He has been around from Feaster-Burke-Treliving and has a relationship with ownership. Promoting from within is commonplace. I could be wrong but it makes sense to me. Treliving has a contract are they going to go spend big on someone else? I am not saying that is what I want but I think it is a logical and realistic scenario that will play out if they did fire Tree

And sometimes this works out pretty well. The Boston Bruins replaced Cup-winning Peter Chiarelli with in-house executive Don Sweeney in 2015. It was a hire that at the time appeared really puzzling, but in retrospect has worked out very well.

All this is to suggest that none of us knows what the Flames have in Craig Conroy; this also works to Jiri's point.

For my money, the only reason now to move on from Treliving is to hire a better, more experienced manager. Maybe someone like Dean Lombardi, but I am not convinced this is a positive step forward. Being a GM is hard, and I believe that in the NHL many are reached too early by reactionary and impatient owners. Some of the best ones have had years and years to hammer away at their teams.

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[AC]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So no injuries for Lindholm?

He played like crap.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The strange thing is that he was probably the most consistent, dependable player on the first line all season and in the playoffs he just stopped being that guy. Maybe a case of trying to do too much rather than play his regular game? It was weird how bad he was.

Wasn't sure where else to put this, but Elias Lindholm's girlfriend just revealed the news that the couple went through 2 miscarriages this summer. She found out she was pregnant a 2nd time while Lindholm was back in Canada, and they just learned recently the sad news together.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEWZ7eKF...d=t56e8yr5264q

[Roof-Daddy]

Wow. Absolutely terrible.

[Erick Estrada]

I certainly couldn't fault him for not being his best under those circumstances.

[Bonded]

Well that would be hard to go through and combine that with the bubble, I could see that taking a toll.

[AC]

It seems unfair to attach that news to discussions about his play, but there was talk about something going on with him.

It's hard to imagine the hardships of going through one miscarriage in a summer, let alone then leaving your partner alone to play in a weird bubble tournament during a pandemic, only to learn she's pregnant again so soon after but you can't be there to support her.

Awful situation for them.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

It seems unfair to attach that news to discussions about his play, but there was talk about something going on with him.

It's hard to imagine the hardships of going through one miscarriage in a summer, let alone then leaving your partner alone to play in a weird bubble tournament during a pandemic, only to learn she's pregnant again so soon after but you can't be there to support her.

Awful situation for them.

It's also just something we should all keep in mind. You never know what's going on with people in their lives, so giving people the benefit of the doubt is never a bad path to take.

[ComixZone]

Tkachuk weighing in:

“I couldn’t believe some of the criticism some of my teammates were getting. Especially Johnny and Mony…it really makes me sick and pisses me off honestly. They produced more than me, so put the blame on me.” #Flames

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298662024272965632

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298661281558274049

Atta boy Chucky.

[AC]

Full quote:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298665904306130944

[PepsiFree]

That's what you want to hear from your captain. Own up to your mistakes and your own lack of production, show some passion, and defend your teammates.

Hard to say where we'd be today if he wasn't injured. That Dallas series could have gone either way, just like the Winnipeg series at the start, until it didn't.

[Erick Estrada]

Have to imagine some of that is directed towards Francis as he's really been the vocal one in the media heavily criticizing Monahan and Gaudreau.

[kermitology]

You almost feel like at minimum Gio should pass the captaincy to Tkachuk. He's got that accountability and the future face of the franchise tone to him. Gio's been here through a lot of the rot. He's been a good leader, but he's in the twilight.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Have to imagine some of that is directed towards Francis as he's really been the vocal one in the media heavily criticizing Monahan and Gaudreau.

Francis is now too old to hang out with those guys (and those guys probably told him as much) so he is writing hit prices trying to regain his HNIC insider status.

But I think Tkachuk is talking overall and not giving any credit to Francis specifically. Those guys at that age are far past reading just the newspaper or Sportsnet/TSN, they too go to HF or here, and see multiple threads about those two guys specifically that range from annoyance of fans, to full blown psychological and physical critical analysis from nobodies on a message board.

Howevever, that general fan consensus feeds it's way back through the beat writers who are looking for their lede, and all of a sudden it's all repeated to the larger masses and then that feeling is taken as generally accepted consensus.

[Monahammer]

Get that man the C, stat!!

[tvp2003]

Reporting on twitter is that Tkachuk would not have been able to play against Dallas but would be available now if they were still playing.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Reporting on twitter is that Tkachuk would not have been able to play against Dallas but would be available now if they were still playing.

Glad to hear he’s recovered!