Flames Garbage Day Quotes

[Backstop]

For me the snatched away glimmer of hope is more taxing than complete misses. Its mentally fatiguing to repeatedly watch the allure of success rapidly become failure.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I guess if you are of the belief this team is done and should be torn down then sure get a new GM. I think there are good pieces here and Treliving has done a better job in terms of drafting or trading than Feaster or Sutter before him.

I am in favor of retooling the roster and building a winner with this group and that is a reason I support keeping Treliving around.

I think a re-tool can be done perhaps even more effectively by a fresh set of eyes. I'm not saying Treliving didn't do some good things, but I do think someone else may be able to take what he's done to another level. I don't necessarily think new GM means tear it down all the way.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Correct. But worth pointing out that it would be foolish to use this metric to justify that the gm has built a consistent playoff team in his tenure here.

One year in and one year out is not a 'consistent playoff' measure.

This is the first year they made it consecutively which is one of the reasons I don’t fire the GM yet.

I don’t think Treliving has a long leash but I give him a chance to make the personnel changes required to move this team forward. If they fail again then let’s get ready for Conroy’s shot

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I think a re-tool can be done perhaps even more effectively by a fresh set of eyes. I'm not saying Treliving didn't do some good things, but I do think someone else may be able to take what he's done to another level. I don't necessarily think new GM means tear it down all the way.

Problem with a fresh set of eyes is typically new GM’s want to do their own audit on the team and get to know their players and staff personally before making big moves.

I also think this organization has been developing Conroy for the role for nearly 10 years and believe they are focused o developing their own successor. When Burke left of showed they were confident in the direction of the team.

I feel like Treliving could be in a Sutter 2010 scenario where he has earned a shot to right the ship but of the team is struggling next year they make a change and I would think Conroy is likely the interim with a great chance to take over full time

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the first year they made it consecutively which is one of the reasons I don’t fire the GM yet.

I don’t think Treliving has a long leash but I give him a chance to make the personnel changes required to move this team forward. If they fail again then let’s get ready for Conroy’s shot

He's had several opportunities to get a solid proven NHL coach and hasn't done it yet. I fear he won't do it again.That could set back the team another several years.

[Flash Walken]

In a league where more than half the teams make the playoffs every year, making the playoffs 2/3rds of the time is not an accomplishment.

Especially considering one of those years ended in 4 straight in the playoffs and another ended in 4 straight after winning the opener.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Correct. But worth pointing out that it would be foolish to use this metric to justify that the gm has built a consistent playoff team in his tenure here.

One year in and one year out is not a 'consistent playoff' measure.

I didn't.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the first year they made it consecutively which is one of the reasons I don’t fire the GM yet.

I don’t think Treliving has a long leash but I give him a chance to make the personnel changes required to move this team forward. If they fail again then let’s get ready for Conroy’s shot

That's definitely how I see it playing out also. Though i'm a lot less of a Treliving fan than yourself (which is fine of course).

I definitely don't agree with treliving being a better trader than sutter. We know sutter traded a lot of first and second round picks during his tenure here, but it brought in star players that became core players during their tenure here: kipper, tanguay, huselius, langkow, cammalleri, jokinen,bourque, Simon, bouwmeester, stuart, etc.

Treliving has used up 8 x first/second round picks that equated to hamilton (throw in adam fox and ferland btw), hamonic and lazar. By this summer those 8 picks will translate to lindholm/hanafin on the roster.

Treliving sucks at the trade game, slightly less than his UFA signing talents....

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Edmonton just went through 15 years of the media kissing their ass for tanking. How is it easier here than there?

Treliving has made the playoffs in 4 of 6 years at the helm, and lead the team to a division win all after taking over a team in year one of a rebuild where they got nothing of value in return for their former franchise players and top Dman.

Win the division for the first time in 13 years, make the playoffs 2 seasons in a row in over a decade. Time to fire that guy

You're basically proving that point of our market being soft.

If the bar is set at "better then Edmonton" or "better than Calgary's past", that is butter soft expectations.
We could be amongst the 5 worst organizations in the league and still surpass those standards.

I'm not even saying Tre should go, but whomever has the job, isn't it time to expect a little more?

[VladtheImpaler]

Isn't the "he tried and had deals that fell through" excuse pretty much "the dog ate my homework"? So... you in fact didn't actually accomplish anything? I assume every GM has those stories, and are only judged by what they actually do and the team's results.
Sutter gets credit for Kiprusoff, even though he was trying to trade for Toskala, and Coates gets credit for Iginla, even though he tried to trade for Harvey. You can't now turn around and give Treliving credit for trying to trade for Kadri (or whoever).

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Isn't the "he tried and had deals that fell through" excuse pretty much "the dog ate my homework"? So... you in fact didn't actually accomplish anything? I assume every GM has those stories, and are only judged by what they actually do and the team's results.
Sutter gets credit for Kiprusoff, even though he was trying to trade for Toskala, and Coates gets credit for Iginla, even though he tried to trade for Harvey. You can't now turn around and give Treliving credit for trying to trade for Kadri (or whoever).

It's not so much giving credit as it is a rebuttal for fans who claim Treliving thought the team was good the way it was and just sat on his hands and did nothing. Obviously he saw the hole in the line up that many of us also saw, but ultimately a deal couldn't be accomplished. No matter how bad he wants to add a top 6 center, the bottom line is there has to be a GM out there willing to move one and a that same top 6 center has to be willing to come to Calgary if he has trade protection.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's not so much giving credit as it is a rebuttal for fans who claim Treliving thought the team was good the way it was and just sat on his hands and did nothing. Obviously he saw the hole in the line up that many of us also saw, but ultimately a deal couldn't be accomplished. No matter how bad he wants to add a top 6 center, the bottom line is there has to be a GM out there willing to move one and a that same top 6 center has to be willing to come to Calgary if he has trade protection.

Yeah, fair enough, I am not judging him for that ("sitting on his hands"). My issue is the other stuff.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Or anywhere else.

Details matter.

Pretty sure he bought a house on the shore in Jersey.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You're basically proving that point of our market being soft.

If the bar is set at "better then Edmonton" or "better than Calgary's past", that is butter soft expectations.
We could be amongst the 5 worst organizations in the league and still surpass those standards.

I'm not even saying Tre should go, but whomever has the job, isn't it time to expect a little more?

I feel like I am in the minority here so I beg to differ.

I don’t disagree with you. Treliving has positioned himself firmly on the hot seat for me but I am not in a spot to fire him.

I think consistency is key and this team has shown some signs of breaking through. With that I want to change up the players and if that fails then it is time for a new GM.

I kind of feel like Treliving is where Sutter was in 2010. He is going to get the summer to try and move this program forward but if the team is not living up to expectations then I see him being replaced by Conroy who has been groomed in the organization for nearly a decade.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I find the suggestion that Conroy takes over puzzling. One assumes that he was part of the brain trust that made the same decisions that are the reasons why folks want BT canned. Unless we believe Conroy was the voice in the room advising the group NOT to sign James Neal, then why do people want him to take over? What signs do we have that he would be an upgrade? Most rookie GMs make mistakes.
I can't grasp a strategy to fire the current GM, and hand the keys to a rookie GM that was part of his leadership team.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's not so much giving credit as it is a rebuttal for fans who claim Treliving thought the team was good the way it was and just sat on his hands and did nothing. Obviously he saw the hole in the line up that many of us also saw, but ultimately a deal couldn't be accomplished. No matter how bad he wants to add a top 6 center, the bottom line is there has to be a GM out there willing to move one and a that same top 6 center has to be willing to come to Calgary if he has trade protection.

Not sure anyone is saying the Gm sat on his hands and did nothing, obviously he has a reputation of working hard...

However I don't buy the statement there was no one out there that was willing to make a trade. Kadri thing happened on July 1st or something like that.

Seems to excel at signing his RFAs, drafting has improved

UFAs and trades are lacking.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I find the suggestion that Conroy takes over puzzling. One assumes that he was part of the brain trust that made the same decisions that are the reasons why folks want BT canned. Unless we believe Conroy was the voice in the room advising the group NOT to sign James Neal, then why do people want him to take over? What signs do we have that he would be an upgrade? Most rookie GMs make mistakes.
I can't grasp a strategy to fire the current GM, and hand the keys to a rookie GM that was part of his leadership team.

I am making an assumption they have been grooming him to take the job eventually. He has been around from Feaster-Burke-Treliving and has a relationship with ownership. Promoting from within is commonplace. I could be wrong but it makes sense to me. Treliving has a contract are they going to go spend big on someone else? I am not saying that is what I want but I think it is a logical and realistic scenario that will play out if they did fire Tree

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I find the suggestion that Conroy takes over puzzling. One assumes that he was part of the brain trust that made the same decisions that are the reasons why folks want BT canned. Unless we believe Conroy was the voice in the room advising the group NOT to sign James Neal, then why do people want him to take over? What signs do we have that he would be an upgrade? Most rookie GMs make mistakes.
I can't grasp a strategy to fire the current GM, and hand the keys to a rookie GM that was part of his leadership team.

It certainly seems Oilerish to give the seat to an (A) ex-team fixture who’s (B) been around during the term that got the present GM fired.

I’m not sold on Conroy as GM aside from that anyway. I just haven’t heard much out of him to suggest he’s either a good talent evaluator, or a good negotiator with players, agents and other GMs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It certainly seems Oilerish to give the seat to an (A) ex-team fixture who’s (B) been around during the term that got the present GM fired.

I’m not sold on Conroy as GM aside from that anyway. I just haven’t heard much out of him to suggest he’s either a good talent evaluator, or a good negotiator with players, agents and other GMs.

Exactly. What's the scope of his job? As discussed on CP Radio (shameless plug) it seems like PRO scouting is more of a weakness recently than amateur scouting - leading to poor decision with free agents (primarily) and perhaps some trades. (e.g. Lazar).

So if Conroy has been more involved on that end (I don't know if he has or not) then the decision would strike me as odd.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's definitely an excuse. IMO it's one of the easier Canadian markets to be GM compared to Vancouver, Edmonton (have had 6 GM's since Darryl Sutter was Flames GM), Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal. Arguably the softest media in the all the Canadian cities that's not bought and paid for like Edmonton. Treliving has had five seasons where the team has stagnated from when he got here and outside of a fan poll here his seat is ice cold. His seat would even be hotter in a some US markets for that matter. It's one of the cushier jobs in the league IMO as if you simply make the playoffs annually or every 2nd year the owners are generally satisfied.

I think he was referring to the geographical battles of getting UFAs to come here, or players with NTC to waive, not the media "softness"