2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Geeoff]

Trading Chucky is a bad idea. He's the only player on this team that fans of other teams talk about

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't project Norris as a 1C - upside is a 2nd line centre, but he could end up being just a very solid #3.

I dunno. Over a point per game as a 19 year old in the Big10 and 31 goals, 60 points in 56 games as a 20 year old rookie in the AHL. He's not small and he can skate pretty well. Screams potential 1C to me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Trading Chucky is a bad idea. He's the only player on this team that fans of other teams talk about

We all agree this team needs a #1 centre.
Are we willing to do the thing required to get one?
If not then basically we are expecting to produce one out of thin air or through a very lucky draft selection.

Again - no one should be considered untouchable on a team that hasn't done squat.

[CliffFletcher]

I get the marketing appeal of reuniting the Tkachuks. But they both play LW, so it’s not a great on-ice move.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Trading Chucky is a bad idea. He's the only player on this team that fans of other teams talk about

Building around a winger with sub par center depth is a bad idea.

Should be the biggest take away from the Iginla era.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno. Over a point per game as a 19 year old in the Big10 and 31 goals, 60 points in 56 games as a 20 year old rookie in the AHL. He's not small and he can skate pretty well. Screams potential 1C to me.

Jankowski had similar production in the AHL following his college career.
Norris plays a very mature game, which is why he's been good in the AHL. But he's almost universally considered a reliable, two-way, middle 6 guy.
I like the player. But not to solve a top centre issue.

[Manhattanboy]

Is there a MacKinnon type out there you build your team around? Other teams have gone back to square one and that’s where we find ourselves.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Can't be just for #3.

Proven commodity is worth multiple unproven commodities. I don't think you get #3 though.

Norris
#5
NYI pick
#33

for

Tkachuk
Bennett


At 5th overall you still get one of Perfetti/Rossi as potential 1C's or Drysdale/Sanderson as potential #1D's

Definitely not enough. Norris is a meh prospect.

3+ white is better than Norris+5, and I am not settling when it comes to tkachuk. LA has pick 2, maybe they would think of uniting Doughty with his favourite player.

[PepsiFree]

If you trade Tkachuk, you trade him for as close to a lock of a #1 C as you can. Norris is too far from that to bother.

Even trading him to pick Byfield is a risk. Stutzle also doesn't play much center.

Those are big risks as it is. Norris would be foolish.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's not what was reported. What was reported was the Devils went a different direction. The offers from Arizona and Calgary were both strong, but Calgary's was very different.
They chose the Arizona route.

True, that was reported.

I believe though that Friedman may have spoken about it on the morning show that the Flames wanted to talk extension as part of their trade proposal. Hall and his agent, Darren Farris, didn’t want to. Suppose I am putting two and two together, but seems reasonable that if Hanafin and another player were going the other way, it would not have been for a rental. The Flames wanted Hall with an extension.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We all agree this team needs a #1 centre.
Are we willing to do the thing required to get one?
If not then basically we are expecting to produce one out of thin air or through a very lucky draft selection.

Again - no one should be considered untouchable on a team that hasn't done squat.

If a center upgrade is too costly to acquire, the other line of thinking would be to jettison Monahan for whatever you can manage, and actually go with Lindholm as the #1.

This works well if you supply him and Gaudreau with a legitimate top line RW, who has a right handed shot. If it costs you a first, one of Valimaki or Peletier and a current player, so be it IMO.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Is there a MacKinnon type out there you build your team around? Other teams have gone back to square one and that’s where we find ourselves.

Lafreniere maybe, next year Cole Sillinger or Aatu Raty maybe... But frankly none of them are likely to reach Mackinnon level, and they're all #1 or #2 overall picks.

2022 Shane Wright so far is tracking like he could be a mackinnon. Might have said Matt Savoie but he did not show so well in the WHL. Jack Devine also looks fairly strong.

Do we really want the team to be bad about for a whole year to get one of these players though?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Jankowski had similar production in the AHL following his college career.
Norris plays a very mature game, which is why he's been good in the AHL. But he's almost universally considered a reliable, two-way, middle 6 guy.
I like the player. But not to solve a top centre issue.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Definitely not enough. Norris is a meh prospect.

3+ white is better than Norris+5, and I am not settling when it comes to tkachuk. LA has pick 2, maybe they would think of uniting Doughty with his favourite player.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you trade Tkachuk, you trade him for as close to a lock of a #1 C as you can. Norris is too far from that to bother.

Even trading him to pick Byfield is a risk. Stutzle also doesn't play much center.

Those are big risks as it is. Norris would be foolish.

Well Norris is the closest thing to a potential #1C in Ottawa's system that I can see, except for #3, but I don't think you can get a rebuilding team with a lack of elite C depth to part with that pick.

If you shop Tkachuk though, there will be no shortage of offers, so maybe you look elsewhere.

I still don't think they trade Tkachuk, and if they do I doubt it's for a package of futures. More likely they find a hockey trade somewhere.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We all agree this team needs a #1 centre.
Are we willing to do the thing required to get one?
If not then basically we are expecting to produce one out of thin air or through a very lucky draft selection.

Again - no one should be considered untouchable on a team that hasn't done squat.

Okay let's trade him for Jack Eichel

[PepsiFree]

Well that's the rub I guess. If we're trading Tkachuk, it's not because we need to. We're not doing it to see what we can get.

If we trade Tkachuk, it'd be to fill one specific need. And if we can't fill that need, there is zero reason to trade him.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No way what?

Tkachuk was nearly a point per game this season and his QO is $10 million when this contract ends in two more seasons. He's going to be the Flames highest paid player if he's still here.

Well then his QO exceeds his market value on a flat cap so I’m on board for moving him.

As for Gaudreau, I don’t see how anyone could make an argument he deserves more annual salary than Duchene or what Hall will sign for this offseason. The old thinking of not being able to afford him/regretting giving him an inflated salary is gone for me.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lafreniere maybe, next year Cole Sillinger or Aatu Raty maybe... But frankly none of them are likely to reach Mackinnon level, and they're all #1 or #2 overall picks.

2022 Shane Wright so far is tracking like he could be a mackinnon. Might have said Matt Savoie but he did not show so well in the WHL. Jack Devine also looks fairly strong.

Do we really want the team to be bad about for a whole year to get one of these players though?

Yes, yes, yes & yes.
Tired if being too bad to win & too good to get franchise players through the draft.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Okay let's trade him for Jack Eichel

Sign me up. Although I doubt they move him.

I do wonder what the Flames could get from the Sabres if they offered Monahan, or even Monahan plus Hanifin.

They need a 2C behind Eichel and a 2LHD behind Dahlin. Two of their biggest needs filled right there.

Other than Cozens and 8th overall they don't have much else to offer. Jokiharju maybe too.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Is there a MacKinnon type out there you build your team around? Other teams have gone back to square one and that’s where we find ourselves.

No one trades a Mackinnon type. They draft him first overall. You have to wait until they are UFA and then you overpay for a guy who's past his peak or close to it (see Tavares).

Plus, I think anyone short of a Mackinnon would end up disappointing the fanbase. Monahan is not anything fantastic but he is 27th in salary among Cs and probably plays at about 5 spots higher (more points than 9 guys ahead of him, in an off year). And people call for his head.

Of the top 10 Cs this year, 6 were 1st or 2nd overall picks. Draisaitl is a special case because I don't even know that he's a top C. The others are Mika Z, a 2011 pick who took a long time to blossom in the last two after a trade, Schiefele, also a 2011 pick, who actually scores about the same as Monahan, and Aho, who was a real find.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We all agree this team needs a #1 centre.
Are we willing to do the thing required to get one?
If not then basically we are expecting to produce one out of thin air or through a very lucky draft selection.

Again - no one should be considered untouchable on a team that hasn't done squat.

I’m entirely fine with taking a big step “back” rather than wasting another season.

To Buffalo: Sean Monahan
To Calgary: 2020 1st round pick (8th OA) + other stuff

To New Jersey: Johnny Gaudreau
To Calgary: 2020 1st round pick (7th OA)

Draft two of: Drysdale, Perfetti, Rossi, Lundell

Hope you can snag Lapierre, Holloway or Zary at 19th Overall.

There’s your basis for the 2nd Treliving era.

Next years roster:

Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Mangiapane - Ryan - ?
? - Jankowski (Yep) - ?

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - ?
Valimaki - ?

?
Rittich

I still think you chase Lehner, Hall, and Laviolette - but probably unlikely they choose Calgary.