[PGT] Stars 5 Flames 4 (OT)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You make it sound like this is new stuff.

Calgary seems to need to learn from something every game they lose, and some they win.

When is class over, and when will they graduate if ever?

The Flames have been gifted two very easy opponents, yet have looked quite ordinary.


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They outscored the Jets 16-6 and are tied in a series they were a clear underdog missing their top forward for most of it

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Forbert was atrocious. Gustafsson was bad.
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Why would you expect atrocious and bad d-men to be something different?


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[Manhattanboy]

Fair to say we really need Chucky back for game 5.

[djsFlames]

Start with finding a way to spend more than 50% of the even strength shifts in the other half of the rink.

I would suggest reviewing video of The Blueprint™ from games 1, 3, 4 and 1 and replicating that play to a T in the coming games.

Will probably wins out over skill in this best of three, but it has to be intelligent will. They had that in earlier games without question, and if they can bring it back, it will be enough to beat these guys.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Fair to say we really need Chucky back for game 5.

Only if he plays better than he has so far since returning.

He has not been much of a factor, on the whole, outside of his fight in each series.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

The biggest problem I see (aside from top line scoring at 5v 5), is our inability to break out effectively.

The play is always defensemen throwing it to the half boards, where the wingers try to chip it out along the boards (often blindly). Dallas' defense reads it and pinches and picks up the turnovers at our blue line.



I don't know what the solution is, but what they're doing now just isn't working.

And then half the time the wingers aren't even on the half boards or get out hussled/muscled/whatever to the puck. Then there's the powerplay breakout drop pass every time with a slow motion attempt at a zone entry. Frustrating to watch. On the positive side, Johnny looking slightly better and Monahan's shooting. Back to the negative, what the heck is wrong with Lindholm?

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You make it sound like this is new stuff.

Calgary seems to need to learn from something every game they lose, and some they win.

When is class over, and when will they graduate if ever?

The Flames have been gifted two very easy opponents, yet have looked quite ordinary.


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I agree that the Flames have difficulties putting everything together during the best of times, but the Stars aren't that easy of a team to beat.

The Stars have tons of size, tons of playoff experience, an elite player at each position, and they play a strong defensive game.

The only two harder matchups for the Flames in the west are the Blues and Avs.

The Flames are doing pretty well considering that the top line has disappeared and Chucky is injured.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by boogerz

I agree that the Flames have difficulties putting everything together during the best of times, but the Stars aren't that easy of a team to beat.

The Stars have tons of size, tons of playoff experience, an elite player at each position, and they play a strong defensive game.

The only two harder matchups for the Flames in the west are the Blues and Avs.

The Flames are doing pretty well considering that the top line has disappeared and Chucky is injured.

Dallas limped into playoffs having won something like 1 game in their last 10.

They should have been a dream matchup for the Flames.

The only easier matchup would have been the Hawks.

Dallas isn’t all that great a team.


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[AC]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Dallas limped into playoffs having won something like 1 game in their last 10.

They should have been a dream matchup for the Flames.

The only easier matchup would have been the Hawks.

Dallas isn’t all that great a team.


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Maybe. Dallas also made it to Game 7 of the 2nd round last year, losing in OT to the Stanley Cup champs. They started horribly this year, then caught fire, before having a bad stretch at the pause, but the team is pretty stacked.

[activeStick]

My views:

Flames played okay and the game was fairly even until the late goal in the second period with less than a minute left. Momentum swung to Dallas at that point and it carried through to the third forcing the Flames to take lots of bad penalties (yes, they were penalties).

With momentum against them, the Flames started chasing rather than dictating, leading to consecutive penalties, which took anyone not on the PK out of the game, also tiring out the PKers at the same time.

Bennett is playing great this playoffs. Bad penalty by him at the end of the second and was a clear jump on his part, but like other players, you have to take the good with the bad, and his physical style will lead to those kinds of penalties sometimes.

Can't stand the Flames strategy along the boards to move the puck backwards rather than forward. Happens too consistently across all lines to not be coaching.

Johnny continues to be better. If he can continue his upward trajectory, he'll get a breakout series of games, which means Monahan and Lindholm will also heat up.

The team misses Tkachuk's IQ, board play and smart passes for clean exits.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I’m not all that upset. IMO Flames are playing hard and showing more heart than in their last 2 playoff series.

I’m satisfied with the coaching, effort, goaltending thus far. IMO this team is what they showed they are in the regular season, a bubble playoff team. So squaring off against one of the better teams and battling to a 2-2 tie after four games is quite acceptable. This series is winnable and likely going to require a good break or two for the winning team.

After the first 60 or so games last year it was fair to believe that this team had elite talent but I just don’t think that’s the case. As big a sample as 60 games may be, we have seen enough before and after that to suggest that may not be their default level. Good hard working teams that stay healthy can make deep playoff runs though. I still hope that’s what we’re looking at.

Pretty much spot on. Bubble team that is average to good, depending on the night. I'm really not upset at all as I'm not expecting them to win the cup or even make the western conference final. Hoping they can pull through with this series so I can continue to plan some evenings around watching them.

Hopeful that one day before I die, Flames fans are blessed with a legit yearly cup contender squad, that is feared across the league.

One day...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Dallas limped into playoffs having won something like 1 game in their last 10.

They should have been a dream matchup for the Flames.

The only easier matchup would have been the Hawks.

Dallas isn’t all that great a team.


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Are you just making up stats? Dallas was the 4th best team in the west and were likely a post away from a real shot at the cup last year.

They aren't a bad team

[Johnny Makarov]

No excuses. Khudobin is like Hiller/Elliot levels. We have the advantage. We just have to shoot more on this scrub.

We aren't losing this series. All the ref bitching is pretty tiresome too.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah. I dunno. They have a lot of guys who are very good offensively.

Benn, Seguin, Radulov all were 70 plus point guys last year and they added Pavelski who had 38 goals. Klingberg is a career .68 points per game and Heiskenan is going to be a star on D.

That’s 6 guys who can be game breakers, of which 5 seem to be pretty dangerous right now. Not to mention that pain in the ass Perry.

Then they have depth. That 4th line is not an ordinary 4th line, and Faksa is no slouch.

Not a bad team at all, really

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Has Calgary ever lost a game that wasn’t the refs fault?


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Or credit the refs for a win?

[browna]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Dallas limped into playoffs having won something like 1 game in their last 10.

They should have been a dream matchup for the Flames.

The only easier matchup would have been the Hawks.

Dallas isn’t all that great a team.


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Dallas had second most points in the league since Christmas behind Boston, as heard on the Friday telecast.

[blender]

I am still having a PTSD flashback of game four in 08 where the Sharks tied it with 6 seconds left and won in OT to tie the series.

That said, I really wish posters here would actually give Dallas credit. They are a very good team. Full stop. Flames are struggling to generate anything 5v5, but guess what, every team struggles to score against Dallas.
Flames need to be better, but I am really enjoying the battle level and their ability to exploit Dallas shorthanded.
I feel like the Flames can win this.
Just need to dig a little deeper and play aggressive.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You make it sound like this is new stuff.

Calgary seems to need to learn from something every game they lose, and some they win.

When is class over, and when will they graduate if ever?

The Flames have been gifted two very easy opponents, yet have looked quite ordinary.


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Dallas was never going to be an easy opponent, you saying it doesn't make it true. This is a deep team with a lot of veteran presence, they have a very good mobile blueline, lots of stars and two very good goalies. They finished ahead of the Flames in the regular season.


This was going to be a challenging series no matter what your narrative says.



The Stars are a bigger team.


Winnipeg, Calgary basically kicked the crap out of them, and when their two leading players went out the series wasn't close.


People sitting here saying that Dallas should be an easy win have a gross lack of understanding.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

No excuses. Khudobin is like Hiller/Elliot levels. We have the advantage. We just have to shoot more on this scrub.

We aren't losing this series. All the ref bitching is pretty tiresome too.

Again check out his actual stats this year
He isn’t a scrub

[dino7c]

Dallas was 4th in the west...they ended up getting the 3rd seed by beating the Blues just last week

They are not the 2nd worst team in the playoffs lol

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admitting the other team is good is not an excuse at all, just reality