American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[TorqueDog]

At what point is the sheer volume of people on the streets able to overpower police doing #### like this? I keep seeing this and wondering how people haven't started swarming them.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

At what point is the sheer volume of people on the streets able to overpower police doing #### like this? I keep seeing this and wondering how people haven't started swarming them.

Because there's precedent for them killing people with their guns, knees, and cars free of retribution?

[troutman]

https://www.270towin.com/maps/niskan...ge-predictions

The current 2020 Electoral College projection from Rachel Bitecofer of the Niskanen Center. Read the full analysis here.

Use this as a starting point to create and share your own 2020 presidential election forecast.

July 26: Florida moves from Toss-up to Leans Democratic, Texas from Leans Republican to Toss-up; Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin from Leans to Likely Democratic.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by troutman

https://www.270towin.com/maps/niskan...ge-predictions

If he loses MI, PA, and WI, there is no reasonable path to victory. Polls have consistently been strongly Biden in all those states, and strongly blue in the midterms, and also strongly blue historically.

If somehow he wins those, but loses Florida, he has to pretty much win every state he won in 2016.

If the election was toof day, there is no reasonable electoral college path for Trump.

99 days is a lot of days for something to go horribly wrong though.

[Wormius]

So did Barr have any reasonable answers to the questions from Congress? Not sure if the stuff floating around on social media are just gotcha moments, or if the whole thing was like that.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by New Era

What exactly is outrageous in Biden's statement?







Peaceful protesters should be protected. Arsonists and anarchists - the ones doing property damage - should be prosecuted, under the same laws that were in effect when he and Obama were in the White House. Oh, the outrage!!!



You know, if the police were not being paramilitary ######bags and instead focused in one allowing protesters to have their march and catch the little ####s that were actually breaking the law, we wouldn't have any problem. Just a thought.

Anarchism as a political ideology isn't synonymous with arson and violence.

[dino7c]

Really? this is what you got on Biden?

He said anarchists should be prosecuted for VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION

Trump said there are good people in the KKK

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Really? this is what you got on Biden?

He said anarchists should be prosecuted for VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION

Trump said there are good people in the KKK

Why single out anarchists at all? Just say people should be prosecuted for violence and destruction. I don't see why he felt the need to tar an ideology that, while having some violent extremists, exists on a spectrum just as every other political ideology does.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Why single out anarchists at all? Just say people should be prosecuted for violence and destruction. I don't see why he felt the need to tar an ideology that, while having some violent extremists, exists on a spectrum just as every other political ideology does.

Why not?

Anarchy is the state of a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body. It may also refer to a society or group of people that totally rejects a set hierarchy.

You think a politician should worry about offending these people? I think people voting in the places that matter are happy with his statements today. Trump and the republicans big scare tactic is that Biden with let anarchy reign in their cities...the VAST majority of people do not want that.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why not?



Anarchy is the state of a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body. It may also refer to a society or group of people that totally rejects a set hierarchy.



You think a politician should worry about offending these people? I think people voting in the places that matter are happy with his statements today. Trump and the republicans big scare tactic is that Biden with let anarchy reign in their cities...the VAST majority of people do not want that.

Uhh it's not about "offending those people." It's priming the populace to be okay with policing an ideology. Anyone who cares an ounce about civil liberties should be concerned with that type of rhetoric.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Uhh it's not about "offending those people." It's priming the populace to be okay with policing an ideology. Anyone who cares an ounce about civil liberties should be concerned with that type of rhetoric.

Anyone with a brain knows exactly what he means..."prosecuted for violence and destruction"

all that matters is the election...that statement doesn't hurt Biden at all IMO. Maybe lose 100 votes in Cali and gain in places that matter.

"good people in the KKK"
"prosecute anarchists for violence and destruction"

You tell me

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I thought Biden had faded mentally months ago, but lately he seems pretty sharp. I wonder if it was rustiness from being out of the spotlight vs a cognitive decline.

It's all about the jellyfish!

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Coach

Because there's precedent for them killing people with their guns, knees, and cars free of retribution?

Keep in mind this is a country that has enough guns to arm every man, woman, and child, then arm every man, woman, and child in Canada almost two times over.

At some point, the government either reins in the police and stops them from doing this to innocent civilians, or people will eventually start to fight back.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Keep in mind this is a country that has enough guns to arm every man, woman, and child, then arm even man, woman, and child in Canada almost two times over.

At some point, the government either reigns in the police and stops them from doing this to innocent civilians, or people will eventually start to fight back.

Naw, every whackjob amendment-spouting hillbilly hoarding guns to protect them and theirs against "tyranny" doesn't care if the Feds turn fascist, as long as they are only disappearing people they disagree with politically.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268331063077527552

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think one of the more impressive things about this administration is their ability to consistently say the quiet part out loud.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1288449551196708872

[photon]

I think he means the administration has millions of doses.

[calumniate]

If he'd had said 'millions and billions', I might have believed him. Swing and a miss!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Anarchism as a political ideology isn't synonymous with arson and violence.

For accuracy, anarchism is a philosophy not an ideology. Anarchism is a belief that all ideology is bad and that all forms of government are incongruent to individual freedom. Anarchism promotes the dissolution of all forms of collective governance.

What we have seen with these and other protests is that Antifa, the anarchists in question, have been focused on doing nothing more than engaging in property damage, inciting violence, and yes, starting fires (arson). These are not people who care about the issues being protested, they are there only to stir up the ####. So yes, they should be arrested "for their actions." If they want to participate in a peaceful protest, they should be left alone. But pull out one spray can, break one window, or set one fire, and in cuffs you go.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Does any of this seem applicable right now?

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

How many of those boxes can be checked? If you consider this as the ultimate litmus test for tyranny, I'd say it was time for a new series of signatures on a second draft on a new declaration.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by photon

I think he means the administration has millions of doses.

Oh sure, but that fact is why everyone is out pushing it hard this week yet again. Presumably so they can deplete the stockpile and buy even more of it to make someone rich.