[PGT] 5-3 Kings, oh no!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I just looked at the schedule. Lol our “easy” schedule is going to get much more difficult in the next week. Gotta say if I’m betting I don’t think we make the playoffs. Ya I know that’s a stretch.

I think that is a very good thing. This team seems to struggle bad against crap teams but brings it hard against good ones. Don't worry, we are definitely making the playoffs.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah it's been a problem since the Hamilton trade as he was the last Flames defenseman that was a threat to beat goaltenders from the point. Not easy to acquire guys like Hamilton, Burns, Weber, etc. Treliving will just have to keep plugging away at the draft in hopes of finding a defenseman with a good point shot that commands attention on the powerplay.

Not only defensemen. We only have two forwards who are willing/able to shoot credibly from beyond the circles: lindholm and mangiapane

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not only defensemen. We only have two forwards who are willing/able to shoot credibly from beyond the circles: lindholm and mangiapane

Stone likes to shoot the puck.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Stone likes to shoot the puck.

It's not the dumbest idea to put him out on the 5 on 3 to blast a few pucks. I mean, what we are currently doing isn't working. Which is funny because wasn't Ward hired because he was a PP specialist?

[Toonage]

5 on 3 should be a shooting gallery played for rebounds.

So many teams just pass it, looking for the opening. Flames aren't alone in that mistake, and it always surprises me that so many teams do this.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think that is a very good thing. This team seems to struggle bad against crap teams but brings it hard against good ones. Don't worry, we are definitely making the playoffs.

I have been loving your optimism about this team as of late!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have been loving your optimism about this team as of late!

Optimism without reason is folly, and rarely are examples or proofs given for this optimism. Not trying to be a ###### but when you're just constantly saying "we're going to win!" Without backing it up or offering reasons why it comes off as a sheep being led to slaughter.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It's not the dumbest idea to put him out on the 5 on 3 to blast a few pucks. I mean, what we are currently doing isn't working. Which is funny because wasn't Ward hired because he was a PP specialist?

5 on 3 maybe - less chance of a break the other way because the defenders are collapsing. But he's just so slow in getting that cannon off, plus he creates a lot of self clears because his shot can go anywhere.

Remember when Gio used to walk the line for a shot from the middle of the ice as opposed to the point? Remember his wicked wrister from the top of the circle. They really miss that.

Gaudreau has an effective shot when he doesn't telegraph it. The problem is that these days he looks for a pass, but then if that's not there makes it really obvious he is going to shoot.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think that is a very good thing. This team seems to struggle bad against crap teams but brings it hard against good ones. Don't worry, we are definitely making the playoffs.

Yep.
I really think we play to the level of our opponents.
Maybe just using super selective memory, but when I think back to some of our best games this season, they seem to happen against better opponents and vice versa.
In the interest of making the playoffs, I believe we would be better off playing a tougher schedule.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Remember when Gio used to walk the line for a shot from the middle of the ice as opposed to the point?

It feels like I haven't seen that consistently since before the Dougie Hamilton days.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not only defensemen. We only have two forwards who are willing/able to shoot credibly from beyond the circles: lindholm and mangiapane

You know which forward has NHL experience and a heavy right hand shot? Austin Czarnik.

I know the 4th line was coming off a really good game against San Jose, but can you imagine:

Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik

instead of

Rieder - Jankowski - Rinaldo

Reading the tea leaves it probably won't happen unless there are a bunch of injuries or we're well out of contention, but the fact that they won't even TRY him is frustrating.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Optimism without reason is folly, and rarely are examples or proofs given for this optimism. Not trying to be a ###### but when you're just constantly saying "we're going to win!" Without backing it up or offering reasons why it comes off as a sheep being led to slaughter.

When you have a loud and large portion of this boats being wet blankets and almost seem to enjoy the poor play of the team it is nice to have someone be optimistic especially in the GDT or PGT where there can be absurd negativity about the organization

[jlh2640]

Why are we every teams slump buster . Ughh


Go get Toffoli for a 2nd and such

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m not sure how Monahan and Gaudreau’s style is on Treliving. He picked Tkachuk (no brainer) and got the guy you say is the best shooter (which is likely true). Monahan’s outside shot isn’t bad - it’s not going to overpower a goalie but his release is good. Really the best wrister on the team has belonged to Gio (or Hamilton when he was here).



Aside from tanking and getting a MacKinnon or McDavid, I’m not sure what the strategy can be. I suppose I would say they should focus a little more on speed - the core players aren’t very fast - really only Dube and maybe Reider can be described as fast out of all the fwds.

Well I’d say wasting $10M+ on Brouwer and Neal for their grit and edge was a gargantuan mistake considering the previous buyouts he had already made. Both of these high profile players couldn’t skate worth a damn and clearly didn’t turn out well one bit. Throwing the Neal money at now Stanley Cup champion David Perron would’ve been a far better choice.

Still not sure what kind of team Treliving was looking to build here. I understand the identity he was going for where this team checks for their chances and wants them to play a relentless forechecking style where they can backtrack and defend fast, but this is not a fast team like you said. So they end up opening up the middle of the ice after a failed forecheck attempt or give up an off man rush because the D-men are asked to pinch often.

This is clearly a team struggling to play up to Treliving’s vision. Outside of an elite run from Nov 2018 to Jan 2019, the Flames have been extremely mediocre. I know we’re all waiting for this team to get it together and play like they did for those 3 months, but what if that day never comes. There’s less than 2 months left and they’re still as inconsistent as ever.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Like it blows my mind to see an objectively strong effort to come back in that game, come over here and see people pissing red and just dumping on the team and spewing mediocre this and that.

There really is an issue on this board with some of the ultra-negative posters that seem to be just waiting to pounce with their negativity and disregard any of the positives that were definitely there.

Unfortunate result but I have faith in these boys to salvage the second of the BTB.

Yeah, I have no idea how any fan of Flames can be so pessimistic and negative. If this franchise has taught us anything over the years its to be patient because they always figure it out in the end.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Well I’d say wasting $10M+ on Brouwer and Neal for their grit and edge was a gargantuan mistake considering the previous buyouts he had already made. Both of these high profile players couldn’t skate worth a damn and clearly didn’t turn out well one bit. Throwing the Neal money at now Stanley Cup champion David Perron would’ve been a far better choice.

Still not sure what kind of team Treliving was looking to build here. I understand the identity he was going for where this team checks for their chances and wants them to play a relentless forechecking style where they can backtrack and defend fast, but this is not a fast team like you said. So they end up opening up the middle of the ice after a failed forecheck attempt or give up an off man rush because the D-men are asked to pinch often.

This is clearly a team struggling to play up to Treliving’s vision. Outside of an elite run from Nov 2018 to Jan 2019, the Flames have been extremely mediocre. I know we’re all waiting for this team to get it together and play like they did for those 3 months, but what if that day never comes. There’s less than 2 months left and they’re still as inconsistent as ever.


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You talk like throwing that money at Perron meant he would sign here. The guy went back to the Blues every chance he got. He went back after he was moved to Edmonton/Pittsburgh and then went back again after Vegas.

Treliving definitely made mistakes trying to add key pieces via free agency. Calgary will not really attract many top end free agents and he had to overpay for Neal and Brouwer was just a mistake despite being a consistent 20 goal 40pt guy.

If this team fails to win a round of the playoffs we are looking at massive moves via trade and I think we all know Johnny is likely at least one key player that will be shopped. I do think this is surely the last run this core gets to take a step forward.

[Cheese]

Is this where we jump off the bus again? Asking for a friend.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

People in here are so bi polar LOL

It's almost as if they mirror the Flames effort levels

[Stanley]

LOL this place is hilarious

Anyone have n aneurysm yet?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Stanley

LOL this place is hilarious

Anyone have n aneurysm yet?

LOL what are you talking about? This thread is much kinder to the Flames than Boomer and Sarich were this morning on 960.