Bill Peters' open apology to Treliving. UPD: Aliu responds

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Poll results would be far more interesting if the Flames were sitting top 5 in league standings right now

But more interesting might be the reason that they're not. I doubt we will hear anything from my own players but they certainly didn't seem to be playing for the prior coach.

[Torture]

Back on the subject of the letter. It's pretty telling that rather than quietly sending the letter to Treliving or discussing it with him one on one, Peters actually called Eric Francis and had him put it out in the media.

I'm sure the team really appreciated that while trying to complete their investigation.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The cherry incident and Peters issues are different. I was upset with the treatment of cherry and upset he lost his job over those comments, which were taken out of context by keyboard warriors.

I can't wait to see Peters get canned. The guy should never coach another game in NHL and is an embarrassment to the sport.

Two completely different contexts and issues at play.

Except one got fired for an incident that directly occurred on the job with the company that fired him, and one will be fired for something that occurred a decade ago completely unrelated to his current organization and performance. From that standpoint the Cherry firing is actually the more obvious one. (I'm not saying Peters doesn't deserve to be let go).

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by Torture

Back on the subject of the letter. It's pretty telling that rather than quietly sending the letter to Treliving or discussing it with him one on one, Peters actually called Eric Francis and had him put it out in the media.

I'm sure the team really appreciated that while trying to complete their investigation.

The big assumption here is that Peters acted alone, he no doubt followed the advice of lawyer, to send a scripted letter to the organization, media, NHL etc. It would be shocking to me if his lawyer was not calling all the shots on this.

So IMO there is nothing 'telling' about it.

Whether he called Francis first, or sent the letter to Treliving first etc doesn't mean much as he was following the advice of his council.

I glad he is getting fired, no place in sports / society for his actions especially in the absolute position of power he was in at the time.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm surprised at the amount of people I'm seeing bring up that the N word is used in entertainment and rap lyrics and that makes people think it's okay to say it.

You know what actually helped my wrap my head around the N word? Believe it or not, South Park. As a white guy, there's no use in me trying to make sense of who can say it, when or why. South Park taught me I just don't get it, and probably never will. The impact that word has is way beyond what my brain will understand based on my own personal experiences. Yeah, to me it's just a word, but that's just to me and on this subject, my own experience doesn't mean jack

I don't think anyone is saying that exactly...just that if it is so offensive to you maybe find some new lyrics

fact is the word would be less popular/frequently used if it wasn't used in popular culture by anyone

just an observation

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think anyone is saying that exactly...just that if it is so offensive to you maybe find some new lyrics

Maybe it is isn't offensive to a black person when they hear another black person use it in art or any other context. Maybe its offensive to a black person when a white man using it as a vile derogatory word while angry and frustrated with malicious intent. Just maybe.

Stop trying to excuse Peters actions. He didn't have to say it because he heard it said before. I listen to rap, I have never yelled out that word in frustration, certainly never directed it at a black coworker...

[Torture]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

The big assumption here is that Peters acted alone, he no doubt followed the advice of lawyer, to send a scripted letter the organization, media, NHL etc. It would be shocking to me if his lawyer was not calling all the shots on this.

So IMO there is nothing 'telling' about it.

Whether he called Francis first, or sent the letter to Treliving first etc doesn't mean much as he was following the advice of his council.

I glad he is getting fired, no place in sports / society for his actions especially in the absolute position of power he was in at the time.

Oh I'm sure he didn't, but does it matter? In the end it's his decision whether there is a lawyer involved or not.

If I was doing an investigation I would typically tell an employee "you're on a paid suspension, don't talk to anyone about this incident, except in the context of the investigation until the investigation is complete" (unless you wanted them to publicly apologize) Essentially you'd be paying him to stay home (or in the hotel room), be quiet, and co-operate with the investigation.

Releasing a public letter just adds to the potential damage to the organization would potentially add to my case for termination.

Now I obviously don't know what they told Peters and what him and his lawyers are trying to get at, but to me, it seems like a really odd decision.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Torture

Oh I'm sure he didn't, but does it matter? If I was doing an investigation I would typically tell an employee "you're on a paid suspension, don't talk to anyone except about this incident, except in the context of the investigation (unless you wanted them to publicly apologize)". Essentially you'd be paying him to stay home (or in the hotel room), be quiet, and co-operate with the investigation.

Releasing a public letter just adds to the potential damage to the organization would add to my case for termination.

Now I obviously don't know what they told Peters and what him and his lawyers are trying to get at, but to me, it seems like a really odd decision.

Actually the legal expert the Fan disagrees with you from what I remember of it.

You argue that the public letter adds to the potential damage to the organization. The lawyer was arguing that he has to apologize otherwise it looks even worse on the organization. Seemed like he was arguing there is more chance that Peters is dismissed with no pay if he doesn't apologize at any point.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/lead-of...investigation/

The lawyer argues he's being apologetic and showing that he's cooperative with the investigation. Which means he's less likely to be fired with cause and thus lose the rest of his money.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Torture

Back on the subject of the letter. It's pretty telling that rather than quietly sending the letter to Treliving or discussing it with him one on one, Peters actually called Eric Francis and had him put it out in the media.

I'm sure the team really appreciated that while trying to complete their investigation.

Is it telling of anything? My understanding is that it went both to Treliving and the media. Of course it is spin from his side, but I am not sure why we would expect anything different.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Actually the legal expert the Fan disagrees with you from what I remember of it.

You argue that the public letter adds to the potential damage to the organization. The lawyer was arguing that he has to apologize otherwise it looks even worse on the organization. Seemed like he was arguing there is more chance that Peters is dismissed with no pay if he doesn't apologize at any point.

Here's the interview. Probably a lot of people in this thread should listen to it. You can find it on this page, I can't seem to find a direct link.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/

Oh I agree that if I was the Flames I would want him to issue an apology to minimize damage, but to do it in a letter addressed to Brad Treliving that you then released to the media through Eric Francis seems awkward.

Why not just send a printed statement to the media?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Torture

Oh I agree that if I was the Flames I would want him to issue an apology to minimize damage, but to do it in a letter addressed to Brad Treliving that you then released to the media through Eric Francis seems awkward.

Why not just send a printed statement to the media?

To make it extra personal?

[Eubee]

Maybe this is covered in another thread, but if Peters should be turfed because of this, and he definitely should, I would hope most agree that guys like Quentin Taratino should never work again either.

Why does Hollywood skate on garbage talk like this? I'm thinking that in this progressive environment, this becoming public could open a lot of other doors in the vein of eliminating this kind of talk which would be some nice serendipity.

I'm betting many of the people on this forum highlighting their displeasure with Peters and their displeasure with the 'racists' on this forum have Taratino DVD's at home, that they felt perfectly fine buying, knowing what is on them.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Eubee

Maybe this is covered in another thread, but if Peters should be turfed because of this, and he definitely should, I would hope most agree that guys like Quentin Taratino should never work again either.

Why does Hollywood skate on garbage talk like this? I'm thinking that in this progressive environment, this becoming public could open a lot of other doors in the vein of eliminating this kind of talk which would be some nice serendipity.

I'm betting many of the people on this forum highlighting their displeasure with Peters and their displeasure with the 'racists' on this forum have Taratino DVD's at home, that they felt perfectly fine buying, knowing what is on them.

"art"

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Eubee

Maybe this is covered in another thread, but if Peters should be turfed because of this, and he definitely should, I would hope most agree that guys like Quentin Taratino should never work again either.

Why does Hollywood skate on garbage talk like this? I'm thinking that in this progressive environment, this becoming public could open a lot of other doors in the vein of eliminating this kind of talk which would be some nice serendipity.

I'm betting many of the people on this forum highlighting their displeasure with Peters and their displeasure with the 'racists' on this forum have Taratino DVD's at home, that they felt perfectly fine buying, knowing what is on them.

Dude. Those were movies. Movies aren’t real life.

Tarantino doesn’t just go around dropping n bombs in his day to day life. At least not that I’m aware of.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Anyone else feeling more and more alienated from the Flames fan base after reading some of the crap posted in threads on the Cherry and Peters' incidents?

Meh, the sooner we realize that people like that are involved in all walks of our daily lives, the easier it is to accept the reality. I'n not saying it's right. But just because we live in Canada and tolerance here is thankfully on a much greater scale here then other places doesn't mean it doesn't exist to a certain extent. CP is not immune.

Due to the amount of traffic and visitors on this site from all walks of life around the city and beyond, we're going to get a fair amount of people like that. This site is going to get it's share of racists, wife beaters, criminals, pedophiles and whatever other ''bad kinds of people'' join as members. Just as you would any large gathering of people. Just because we all come here and are united as Flames fans doesn't mean those kinds of people don't exist here. They simply now have a platform for the masses to read their thoughts.

I'm not surprised one bit at some of the comments said. Disappointed, but definitely not surprised. I hear it all the time at stores, work, bars, restaurants, transit, etc. Thinly veiled racism disguised as 'discussion'. Again tolerance here is much better in Canada then other countries I've been to. And for that I am thankful. But to think it doesn't exist or to be surprised it's on CP, the fact people are surprised to read it here is actually what's surprising to me.

[Eubee]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Dude. Those were movies. Movies aren’t real life.

Tarantino doesn’t just go around dropping n bombs in his day to day life. At least not that I’m aware of.

Did I say that he did? Justify it however you want dude. Its disgusting.

Edit: Not your post, the use of the word in his movies is what is disgusting. Just to be clear.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Dude. Those were movies. Movies aren’t real life.

Tarantino doesn’t just go around dropping n bombs in his day to day life. At least not that I’m aware of.

I would think they are talking about Taratino bullying his actors. Uma Thurman came out and told a story that she forced him to drive an unsafe car she was not comfortable driving for a scene and that she crashed and has been dealing with the injuries ever since. Dude.

Or apparently they aren't talking about that. Bizarre thread continues to be bizarre.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Eubee

Did I say that he did? Justify it however you want dude. Its disgusting.

Does that include Sam L Jackson for starring in Tarantino’s overtly racist movies? What about the actor that portrayed Hitler in IB? I heard the real guy did some bad things.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I would think they are talking about Taratino bullying his actors. Uma Thurman came out and told a story that she forced him to drive an unsafe car she was not comfortable driving for a scene and that she crashed and has been dealing with the injuries ever since. Dude.

Or apparently they aren't talking about that. Bizarre thread continues to be bizarre.

Strangely Uma Thurman has defended Tarantino about that incident for which it seemed to me he was at fault.