Bill Peters' open apology to Treliving. UPD: Aliu responds

[pepper24]

With Peters apology and Aliu's response it now sounds like Peters is trying to get as much of his current contract paid to him as possible while Aliu is trying to getting the most out of a settlement from the NHL/Peters/Flames/Blackhawks for emotional harm and/or stalling his playing career.

It's now more of a money issue than a race/toxic culture issue.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

technically

a) not be a truly racist hateful person

AND

b) say racist things that can get you fired

AND

c) say racist things that can get you fired from a different workplace a decade later

c) *unless you're a public figure and the allegations have a negative impact on the organization and your workplace relationships.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by EM11

This thread is a sh*t show and should be burned to the ground.

Just hop in and out of the 3 ongoing threads until you find something you like!

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is pretty well documented that this tripe is stuff that is spread by white nationalists/white supremacists. It is not actually happening.

Facts matter. Thanks for providing this context.

(Out of thanks but thought this was an important post given the direction this thread is heading)

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by stone hands

i completely concur, i'm just talking about this specific idea that certain individuals cannot be the victims of racism simply because they belong to a certain race. power is power. all the systemic privilege and power structures in the world wont save you if you are in a dark alley with a bunch of people who hate you for the colour of your skin

You do have a point as sometimes injustice's regardless of race are not as identifiable. Many forms of "hate" that are not just limited to minorities and terms that are directed at a certain group of individuals continue undermine the value of a human.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by cannon7

See? LOL.

This is going to be a tough rebuttal for AaronGavey to overcome.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Just hop in and out of the 3 ongoing threads until you find something you like!

We need a fourth thread. Maybe when the next update today?

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yes. Black people can say it. If you don't understand why, spend a little time on Wikipedia. Better yet, talk to a black person about it.

And yes, of course rap music can be played in the locker room.

I looked it up on Wikipedia but all I see is this white dude named Emenem

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Yeah, because it's made up and a dog whistle for racist #### heads.

Exactly, just stuff that is spread on the internet by white nationalists/supremacists. No real basis in reality.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by pepper24

With Peters apology and Aliu's response it now sounds like Peters is trying to get as much of his current contract paid to him as possible while Aliu is trying to getting the most out of a settlement from the NHL/Peters/Flames/Blackhawks for emotional harm and/or stalling his playing career.

It's now more of a money issue than a race/toxic culture issue.

You think this is about money for Aliu?

The guy wouldn't have said a thing if the Babcock/Marner story didn't happen, I Don't know how you can say it's a money think for him.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

My father is a white man from South Africa who moved here because he fell in love with a black woman from South Africa. Your comparison is essentially telling me and everyone else that it's okay for people to threaten to murder my father, just because other white folks were terrible people. Thanks for that.

I'm not saying it's right, just that it is somewhat understandable under the circumstances and will fade away in time, frankly when you consider the appalling treatment of blacks in South Africa in our lifetime it is a testament to their ability to forgive and forget that there wasn't an utter bloodbath when the National party fell

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

I looked it up on Wikipedia but all I see is this white dude named Emenem

You leave M&Ms out of this.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is obvious bull####. Of course OK Boomer is ageist - it's a rhetorical tool used to instantly discount a person's opinion based on when they wre born, and cast that person as someone worth mocking and not taking seriously. It's mildly obnoxious. It is generally used deliberately to be mildly obnoxious, in order to provoke a reaction and then laugh at the person for getting angry. Trolling, basically.

Well yeah. The reason these threads always turn into ####-shows is the most miserable trolls on these forums feel that taking a righteous stance gives them license to be ######bags.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Torture

You need to keep up. "Honky White Boy" refers to downtrodden Irish-Italian cattle farmers and country is the music of their people.

I’ll see what I can do about keeping up.

Oh no!! Downtrodden!!!

Heaven forbid.

That sounds the same as being owned, bought & sold and then segregated.

Oh & it’s their music is it? Nice work doubling down on your ignorance.

Do better.

You might also want to look a little deeper into the roots of country music.

https://time.com/5673476/ken-burns-c...black-artists/

The black influence on country music starts with the banjo, which often conjures the hazy image of a white pastoral South. But the instrument is a descendant of West African lutes, made from gourds, that were brought to America by slaves and which became a central part of slave music and culture in the South. Soon, the instrument was standardized, appropriated and spread to white audiences through minstrel and blackface shows — which deeply informed the rise of hillbilly music, a term that would later be rebranded as “country music.”

Many of the songs that early hillbilly artists played were likewise inherited and adapted from black sources — like slave spirituals, field songs, religious hymnals or the works of professional black songwriters. In Country Music, Burns traces how “When the World is On Fire,” a hymn arranged by a black minister, was turned into the Carter Family’s 1928 hit “Little Darling, Pal of Mine”

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by pepper24

With Peters apology and Aliu's response it now sounds like Peters is trying to get as much of his current contract paid to him as possible while Aliu is trying to getting the most out of a settlement from the NHL/Peters/Flames/Blackhawks for emotional harm and/or stalling his playing career.

It's now more of a money issue than a race/toxic culture issue.

I'm not sure why you included the Flames on that list of people Aliu might be trying to get money from.

In fact I would say that going after the Flames, the only NHL club that gave him an opportunity in the NHL would actually make him look very bad.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

I looked it up on Wikipedia but all I see is this white dude named Emenem

Find me an album track where Eminem says the N-word.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

I’ll see what I can do about keeping up.

Oh no!! Downtrodden!!!

Heaven forbid.

That sounds the same as being owned, bought & sold and then segregated.

Oh & it’s their music is it? Nice work doubling down on your ignorance.

Do better.

You might also want to look a little deeper into the roots of country music.

https://time.com/5673476/ken-burns-c...black-artists/

you know torture was being facetious and is on your side, right?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

I can't answer why people are hung up on how the word was used, but I'm not so sure I agree that someone should immediately be fired from a current job for saying something racist at a former job irrespective of how much time has gone by.

Does this only apply to racism? If someone said something sexist 10 years ago, should they be fired from their current job? This seems like a very impractical approach.

I fully agree that firing him with cause from that job at the time should have been an option for the Blackhawks organization, but 10 years and multiple organizations later?

Well if the Flames do nothing and not fire him what example would they be setting? Can you answer that one?

The Flames already indicated the said actions are do not reflect the organizations beliefs.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Find me an album track where Eminem says the N-word.

Funny that you put "album track" when it is widely known that there is an underground track where Em does use the N-word. Hell he even has an "album track" talking about it and apologizing.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

I’ll see what I can do about keeping up.

Oh no!! Downtrodden!!!

Heaven forbid.

That sounds the same as being owned, bought & sold and then segregated.

Oh & it’s their music is it? Nice work doubling down on your ignorance.

Do better.

You might also want to look a little deeper into the roots of country music.

https://time.com/5673476/ken-burns-c...black-artists/

Was a sarcastic joke about cannon7's responses that a coach saying "turn off that #### honky tonk country music" to a dressing room full of white people is racist because the Irish and the Italians faced discrimination and some of them are cowboys. I'm with you.