Bill Peters' open apology to Treliving. UPD: Aliu responds

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I'm not, but my wife and I were called "boomers" this past week by my son's ex-girlfriend.

...was she a girlfriend at the time...?

[CaptainCrunch]

I tend to think that the reason why the trigger wasn't pulled tonight was the letter and the statement in the letter that he did it, he felt bad and he immediately returned to the dressing room to apologize.


It to me really doesn't clear things up enough for Bill to retain his job and return behind the bench. But it does throw some cinders on AA that forces another bit of investigation. If they fire him and it turns out that AA and the other players left out the critical piece of the apology that Bill is talking about, then its probably something that gets the Flames into legal trouble. They have to be 100% sure of the facts before proceeding.


What Burke said tonight about BT's statement was interesting, that it sounded like the league talking.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

the media may not always be right but they only ever have one side of the story, the side where they tell as much of the story as they can in order to get eyes on their copy, if they knew that peters had farted or was wearing plaid socks they would have reported it.

It disturbs me that we live in an age where people honestly think the media is part of some deep state conspiracy to inflict gay values on good Christian white folks or some other weird right wing/Russian sales pitch.

The media will leave out parts (or all) of a story for a multitude of reasons, one of those is public outrage. Players saying someone in Peters position apologized might reduce some of the outrage and thus reduce interest in the story.

I'm not suggesting any player has said he apologized, but it is extremely naive to just assume that the media will report everything.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Split98

Disclaimer: I want to be very clear that racism is in no way tolerable, and I’m disgusted this is anywhere near the team

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I’m glad there is something coming tomorrow, as this apology leads me to believe there might be another chapter in this story

Here’s a few things that I’m left thinking about tonight

1. This was a letter to Brad and the Calgary Flames, so are there other letters?
2. This, in as much as the lawyers wanted out, does call to question some of Akim’s allegation
3. The Flames have not fired or suspended Bill while investigating

As it stands rn everything seems like a horrible move from the PR side, but as the story develops I wonder if some of these odd events will make more sense. As it stands, it’s a few Tweets vs a lawyers apology - and it would be big trouble if Peters’ apology was in any way inaccurate. But the characterization and the follow-up are at odds with each other and I think that’s worth noting

Now, whether any of that matters and how we evaluate the 11 years since will be another question in his employment. But, it’s worth asking if anyone can be allowed a second chance... is this one of those moments?

As for point #3, Peters has not been running practice nor did he coach the team tonight. He may not be officially suspended, but for all intents and purposes he is.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

Turd sandwich

or maybe | is suited better

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This is exactly why an apology straight to the individual/s involved is absolutely pertinent, and not just your current boss. It's not normal behaviour and that needs to be recognized. There's simply nothing that justifies it, even if it was due to situational frustration. A decade removed or not. It clearly still is playing on Aliu's mind.

Especially if it was due to frustration (and Peters admits it was). If he was quoting a song or saying it ironically, then maybe he gets forgiven with a sincere apology. Saying the N word in frustration to a black man is inexcusable, with or without an apology.

[Manhattanboy]

nm

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

It's hard to take Akim seriously tho with allegations. His history is riddled with personal issues but Peter's has admitted he was in the wrong in his choice of words . Top 5 pick prospect that has his demons if you do some background work. He missed echl time due to his demons. Controversy seems to follow him around.

It's hard to take your post seriously.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

It's hard to take Akim seriously tho with allegations. His history is riddled with personal issues but Peter's has admitted he was in the wrong in his choice of words . Top 5 pick prospect that has his demons if you do some background work. He missed echl time due to his demons. Controversy seems to follow him around.

Wow.

[jayswin]

Very eye opening threads on this matter, that's for sure.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It's hard to take your post seriously.

Elaborate..

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Wow.

Elaborate

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Slowne

Ah yes "Bxxmers"...

I'm guessing you are not aware how hypocritical it is to post a word that categorizes a group of people in a thread condoning a person that did just that.

As long as it fits your truth right...

good grief.

The kids use the word "boomer" to denote an old-fashioned mindset. It is not ageist. In this context, a millennial can be a boomer.

Also, boomer has never been a slur. I'm pretty sure baby boomers came up with this term themselves.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

It's hard to take Akim seriously tho with allegations. His history is riddled with personal issues but Peter's has admitted he was in the wrong in his choice of words . Top 5 pick prospect that has his demons if you do some background work. He missed echl time due to his demons. Controversy seems to follow him around.

please explain how Aliu and his "demons" are to blame for Peters' utterly inexcusable conduct (which he himself confirmed through his lame letter yesterday).

terrible take. Aliu is the victim here, period. Bringing any of his personal "demons" to this discussion is bad on your part.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by devo22

please explain how Aliu and his "demons" are to blame for Peters' utterly inexcusable conduct (which he himself confirmed through his lame letter yesterday).

terrible take. Aliu is the victim here, period. Bringing any of his personal "demons" to this discussion is bad on your part.

I'm not sure how bad these so called personal demons are either, seems like mostly just a bad temper to me. I did a bit of looking about Aliu and all I could find was a bar fight when he was in the ECHL and his altercation with Downie when he was with the Spitfires. Alot of people labelled him as a problem child for exposing hazing in the CHL and that stigma continues today IMO.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Elaborate..

You doubt Aliu's credibility despite the following: (1) he has no known history of dishonesty; (2) he has a demonstrated history of telling the truth in difficult circumstances (blowing the whistle on hazing); (3) he has no apparent motive to lie; (4) his account was apparently independently corroborated by at least two other witnesses; and (5) you haven't identified a single relevant reason to doubt his credibility.

You also refer to Peter's statements as "a poor choice of words" (which is, to say the least, something of an understatement).

I don't know why you did these things in your post. However, because of all of this, I find it difficult to take your post seriously. Does that help?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

It was said lots by wiggers or any other fake gangsters.

It really wasn’t though. I hung around groups which you would probably describe as that (word play on a racist slang word... nice. Even at 16 we thought twisting that word was disgusting). Never heard anyone drop an N bomb.

[EM11]

Just fire him and let the Craig Conroy positivity wash over the boys until they win a Stanley Cup.

[VilleN]

My thoughts on all of this are:
- it does matter that it was a decade ago. It is one racist incident a decade ago. It isn’t a pattern. I think Peters has a reason to point that out in the letter.
- he should’ve apologized to Aliu in the letter. However, he claims he did immediately apologize after the incident. If that is true, and Aliu is leaving that out of the story, I can see why Peters isn’t apologizing in this letter ( although he should have ).
- Peters should be fired. This has gotten too big now, that even if he addressed it with the team and the fans appropriately, the damage is done and he needs to go.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If you go to a rap concert do you just skip over those words? honestly? never been

Maybe its time to hang up the N word for everyone

.......... yes. Also you’re probably right.

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I may be wrong but didn't he say the music was " explitive music not that he was a explitive? Is not the issue here that he used the n word period not that he called someone the n word? It doesn't excuse him if he used the word in any context but it would explain his apology.

“N_____ ####ing other n_____ in the ass ####”.......