I'm guessing you are not aware how hypocritical it is to post a word that categorizes a group of people in a thread condoning a person that did just that.
Still pretty surprised he didn’t offer to resign because he had brought shame to the organization, which may have allowed him to work in hockey again. His “apology” is basically an attempt to get a solid buyout, and has nothing to do with contrition.
I may be wrong but didn't he say the music was " explitive music not that he was a explitive? Is not the issue here that he used the n word period not that he called someone the n word? It doesn't excuse him if he used the word in any context but it would explain his apology.
His apology letter did essentially that he used unacceptable words but not directed at anyone specific
Lots of people on CP claiming to be lawyers these days, and I am thinking of validating with any lawyers I may use whether they are in fact any of those particular ones who claim to be so here. You know, doing due diligence for the purpose of exclusion
The truth is likely his lawyer told him not to...or wrote the whole thing. The second he apologizes to Aliu he is admitting it was directed at him not just
Turn off the nword music fellas
Bill likely doesn't want to be sued
I agree. Bill Peters doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions. Why not just take a chance and apologize to the player because the player might be more forgiving if he did. If he refuses to apologize to the player the problem won't go away; Who else is going to hire him as a coach with that issue unresolved.
I agree. Bill Peters doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions. Why not just take a chance and apologize to the player because the player might be more forgiving if he did. If he refuses to apologize to the player the problem won't go away; Who else is going to hire him as a coach with that issue unresolved.
The alleged event occurred in the US
Peters has apologized for the use of inappropriate words and qualified they were not directed at anyone in specific
To whom should he apologize while maintaining that position?
Peters has apologized for the use of inappropriate words and qualified they were not directed at anyone in specific
To whom should he apologize while maintaining that position?
Yet the person who was in charge of controlling the music is the one that was directed at, and is the person who made the initial concern. I didn't get the impression that the Flames were investigating a bunch of people that the racist words see directed at. Even if he said it in general and there was a black person in the room who should he apologize to?
Yet the person who was in charge of controlling the music is the one that was directed at, and is the person who made the initial concern. I didn't get the impression that the Flames were investigating a bunch of people that the racist words see directed at. Even if he said it in general and there was a black person in the room who should he apologize to?
Another real question: Does protecting your own self-interest mean that you are not truly apologetic?
Can you be truly remorseful but also want to protect yourself and your family? Or should Peters simply accept that he messed up big time, apologize to Aliu and those he harmed, and sacrifice his income?
Late to the party, haven't read previous posts, but apologize to the team and the GM but not the player you uttered the slur towards?? Peters is an idiot, kick rocks.
Another real question: Does protecting your own self-interest mean that you are not truly apologetic?
Can you be truly remorseful but also want to protect yourself and your family? Or should Peters simply accept that he messed up big time, apologize to Aliu and those he harmed, and sacrifice his income?
Or is maybe the latter in his best self-interest?
Clearly you sacrifice 3 million dollars to appease the people who want a head in a basket now and also some guys on CP, given the chance
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It was directed at Aliu who was controlling the music. Aliu was humiliated in front of his friends and teammates. Too often a group of people, will look down on a minority person. Even though I am part black and I am deaf, people often treat me like I'm uneducated, I went to college. If my boss, or superior called me the n-word in front of other people suddenly other people are acting the same way, alienating me and treating me as I don't matter. Now I'm just giving you an example, I am generally treated very well, but what Peters did should not be tolerated, it's sets of very poor example for the rest of society. He said he apologized but in his letter he does not indicate that he apologize to that person who was hurt and offended by his horrible comments.
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It's hard to take Akim seriously tho with allegations. His history is riddled with personal issues but Peter's has admitted he was in the wrong in his choice of words . Top 5 pick prospect that has his demons if you do some background work. He missed echl time due to his demons. Controversy seems to follow him around.
So yeah, it definitely takes a certain mindset to be a guy in your late forties who actually should know better to let that word be uttered openly by yourself in such a setting and then not think enough of it to not revisit it and own up to it afterward.
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It can go the other way. It’s always product of environment and maybe lack of experience and exposure to learn that certain terms are no longer ok. Or something is dormant for a long time that it sneaks up in you. The older the wiser but also means their formative years were longer ago. My dad is 67, born in 52 in a small prairie town. I’ve know him for 40 years and I would never ever consider him or anything he has done or said as racist in my lifetime. Up until last year during a visit when discussing the recent population increase in his prairie city he used a derogatory term to represent the high percentage of new immigrants as Japanese. I’d never heard him used that term ever and I doubt in 50 years he himself ever had or even had a reason to speak to anyone anywhere about something that would have put him in a position to use that term.
My dad’s father was shot down while piloting in WWII, a time when that term would have been common. If you do the math of dates you can see my grandfather survived the crash. His co-pilot did not. You can guarantee he heard the term as a child, and tacked on possibly because they were considered the enemy that nearly killed his father. He then went on with his simple normal prairie life as a normal dad with wife three kids a dog and a job in the grocery business. He’s also from a region that certainly is not at the forefront of progress on racial, LGBTQ, etc. issues.
So since someone here will tack on that I’m making a bunch of implications towards the Peters situation and inserting some time of condoning of this allegation, I’m not but I might as well add on. Bill is from Three Hills. A rural part of Alberta, that also wasn’t probably at the forefront of the end of racism. I don’t know, maybe they were. I’ve never been but I suspect based on other comments over the last days that there is racism still strongly alive in parts of Canada.
The side of this that will carry on after the dust settles is Bill, his kids, his family and his friends will forever have to defend the question. Is Bill a racist, or was he racist in that incident and otherwise has not been? Are they also racist too?
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Disclaimer: I want to be very clear that racism is in no way tolerable, and I’m disgusted this is anywhere near the team
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I’m glad there is something coming tomorrow, as this apology leads me to believe there might be another chapter in this story
Here’s a few things that I’m left thinking about tonight
1. This was a letter to Brad and the Calgary Flames, so are there other letters?
2. This, in as much as the lawyers wanted out, does call to question some of Akim’s allegation
3. The Flames have not fired or suspended Bill while investigating
As it stands rn everything seems like a horrible move from the PR side, but as the story develops I wonder if some of these odd events will make more sense. As it stands, it’s a few Tweets vs a lawyers apology - and it would be big trouble if Peters’ apology was in any way inaccurate. But the characterization and the follow-up are at odds with each other and I think that’s worth noting
Now, whether any of that matters and how we evaluate the 11 years since will be another question in his employment. But, it’s worth asking if anyone can be allowed a second chance... is this one of those moments?
