Bill Peters' open apology to Treliving. UPD: Aliu responds

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior

Nope -- the take I replied to suggested that Peters' called Aliu a N####. I have not heard anything from anywhere that this happened.

I wonder why people are willing to attribute things to the situation that didn't occur, even in the victim's account.

Why are we pulling the technicalities for a racist?

Akim Aliu says that Peters told him to turn off his n----- music. Peters said that he did. If Aliu, a black person, is offended by that he has every right to be. You're trying to say that Aliu didn't deserve an apology because...reasons that only racists will get.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We live in an extremely forgiving time, just not in the moment. Don’t imagine he will coach in the NHL again, but then neither will I.

He can recover from this if he wants to.

Everyone loves a comeback story, but it took John Vanveesbrook 15 years to come back from it.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Strange that in the last 48 hours he was unable to find anyone to go on the record to say he apologized and in fact there are third party witnesses from the team who said he did not apologize.

Who in their right mind would come out and defend him right now?

He very well could have intended too and maybe said something vagulgy resembling an apology, but after something like that it's unlikely that anyone heard anything that would remotely make up for it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He could have gone into the room, kicking the garbage, yelling a profanity laced tirade and telling Aliu to turn off his n------ music, cool down after the captain talked to him and then went into the lockerroom and apologized for being frustrated and mad to the entirety of the team.

Both cases would be true then. He never apologized for using the word to Aliu but still apologized to the room.

You do realize the accusations stated he NEVER apologized for anything, right?

You don't think it should have been mentioned that Peters came into the locker room afterwards and apologized if it actually happened? If it was left out of the accusation, it was done so intentionally. Just as intentionally as it was put into Peters letter that he DID apologize.

Someone is blatantly lying.

[dino7c]

I'm assuming the song was Nword this Nword that....and he said turn that Nword music off. He could have said no music with offensive language obviously.

Still fireable but different than calling him an Nword directly IMO

Flame away

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Azure

You do realize the accusations stated he NEVER apologized for anything, right?

You don't think it should have been mentioned that Peters came into the locker room afterwards and apologized if it actually happened? It it was left out of the accusation, it was done so intentionally. Just as intentionally as it was put into Peters letter that he DID apologize.

Someone is blatantly lying.

I don’t recall whether the accusations said “he didn’t apologize to me” or “he didn’t apologize to anyone”.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Azure

You do realize the accusations stated he NEVER apologized for anything, right?

Except that's not Aliu's accusation. Aliu said he never apologized in their meeting, I don't think he said that Peters has never said sorry once in his entire life.

Originally Posted by Azure

Someone is blatantly lying.

Even if you feel the need to go this route, I mean, I'll take the guy who had the N word directed at him as telling the truth, not the guy who said it...

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Why are we pulling the technicalities for a racist?

Akim Aliu says that Peters told him to turn off his n----- music. Peters said that he did. If Aliu, a black person, is offended by that he has every right to be. You're trying to say that Aliu didn't deserve an apology because...reasons that only racists will get.

Him offending someone ten years ago isn't going to void his contract. That's probably the angle he's going for.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t recall whether the accusations said “he didn’t apologize to me” or “he didn’t apologize to anyone”.

Aliu said they had a meeting after the fact and Peters didn't apologize, instead he doubled-down.

There was no talk about Peters never saying sorry for yelling at the team in frustration.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Except that's not Aliu's accusation. Aliu said he never apologized in their meeting, I don't think he said that Peters has never said sorry once in his entire life.


Even if you feel the need to go this route, I mean, I'll take the guy who had the N word directed at him as telling the truth, not the guy who said it...

You are getting hung up on technicalities. If Peters was pissed off in the meeting and didn't apologize but came into the locker room after and apologized is that then not an apology?

I'm not trying to defend anyone here. I'm just saying that one side is lying.

[Peaceful Warrior]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Why are we pulling the technicalities for a racist?

Akim Aliu says that Peters told him to turn off his n----- music. Peters said that he did. If Aliu, a black person, is offended by that he has every right to be. You're trying to say that Aliu didn't deserve an apology because...reasons that only racists will get.

No, what I'm saying is that the truth isn't a technicality. The original post that I replied to said that Peter's had called Aliu a N####. As far as I'm aware, this didn't happen.

There is no acceptable way to use the N#### word, and I'm certainly not interested in defending Peters, but this is tough enough to wade through without making things up.

I do this all day everyday, and I can assure you that the length of time being spent by the lawyers on this is due to the fact that this is the exact type of distinction that matters in cases like this.

It doesn't mean that Aliu isn't completely justified in his feelings and reaction, and that what was said had any less impact on him, but making things up doesn't help.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Azure

At this point I'm not surprised that someone in the hockey world would share or not share stuff that happens.

Two people said he never apologized. Did we hear from anyone else?

I'm beginning to wonder if the Flames did some interviews with people involved and were also told Peters had apologized at the time, and it threw another wrench into the plan to fire him.

Again, given where Peters is at right now, I just don't feel he comes out and lies about something like that. It is a bigger deal than most people here would like to admit, especially when lawyers are drafting his statements.

There were at least 20 other guys including current NHLers in the room to see or hear anything that would've resembled an apology or anything else that transpired from that incident or any other back and forths that Peters and Aliu had before or after the incident in question.

That said, getting anyone to speak on the public record right now to say anything against Aliu's version of events may be a tough thing to do, but you're right, if people that were also there have come forward privately with additional information or context, it does complicate things more as far as acting swiftly.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior

Nope -- the take I replied to suggested that Peters' called Aliu a N####. I have not heard anything from anywhere that this happened.

I wonder why people are willing to attribute things to the situation that didn't occur, even in the victim's account.

Peters : Aliu you are a N****
Peters: Aliu stop doing N**** things
Peters: Aliu get rid of that N**** ####

What context is needed here? How are any one of these any less derogatory from one another when they are each targetted to a person of colour in a predominantly white room?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Azure

You are getting hung up on technicalities. If Peters was pissed off in the meeting and didn't apologize but came into the locker room after and apologized is that then not an apology?

I'm not trying to defend anyone here. I'm just saying that one side is lying.

It depends what he said. Could have been one of those non apologies. And if it was general, it wasn’t an apology to Aliu, which IIRC is what Aliu said.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by browna

There were at least 20 other guys including current NHLers in the room to see or hear anything that would've resembled an apology or anything else that transpired from that incident or any other back and forths that Peters and Aliu had before or after the incident in question.

That said, getting anyone to speak on the public record right now to say anything against Aliu's version of events may be a tough thing to do, but you're right, if people that were also there have come forward privately with additional information or context, it does complicate things more as far as acting swiftly.

I feel like if Peters was a well liked guy a bunch of people would have come forward immediately. (If there was something to defend)

[PsYcNeT]

So this is the thread with all the Boomers in it eh?

[Geeoff]

I think it would've been appropriate to also apologize to Aliu and possibly Oliver Kylington?

I guarantee this was written by Bill Peters' lawyer.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior

No, what I'm saying is that the truth isn't a technicality. The original post that I replied to said that Peter's had called Aliu a N####. As far as I'm aware, this didn't happen.

This is what you said:

Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior

, and if you didn't direct it specifically at someone, you probably don't owe them a direct apology.

So again, Peters yells at Aliu to turn off his n------ music but because he didn't say Aliu, you're a n-----, now turn off your music, he doesn't owe him an apology in your backwards ass world? Or are you just saying Aliu was lying saying that Peters yelled it at him? Because I wonder why there's so many people thinking Aliu is still the liar in this situation....

Any black person who has the N word directed at them by a white man, whether it's in response to their music, house, car, or family, has a right to an apology. Don't direct the word at the person or that person's noun.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

There are two types of white people in the world: white people that have that word in their vocabulary, and white people that don't.

That word shouldn't be in anyone's vocabulary. I don't care what color your skin is.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I feel like if Peters was a well liked guy a bunch of people would have come forward immediately. (If there was something to defend)

There is seemingly no doubt about whether Peters is well liked or not.