11-26-2019, 10:07 AM
|
#541
|
|
Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJones
It was common. Using it as a verb and using it as a noun in a discriminatory way are two massively different things.
If it's the first way, give him a slap on wrist and make him give some statement of regret. If it's the second way, fire his ass, don't even need to think on it.
That's how I see it.
|
Unfortunately the way you see it is wrong.
|
|
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Flash Walken For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:08 AM
|
#542
|
|
Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy City
It's crazy, some of these people are still living and thinking it's the 70's...
|
Hey, be nice. You're supposed to be nice, remember? Old people have feelings, too.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to cannon7 For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:10 AM
|
#543
|
|
First Line Centre
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Unfortunately the way you see it is wrong.
|
No place for context apparently haha.
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:12 AM
|
#544
|
|
Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJones
No place for context apparently haha.
|
For a white man to use the “N” word deliberately in the presence of a black man? No, there isn’t.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Scroopy Noopers For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:14 AM
|
#545
|
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJones
It was common. Using it as a verb and using it as a noun in a discriminatory way are two massively different things.
If it's the first way, give him a slap on wrist and make him give some statement of regret. If it's the second way, fire his ass, don't even need to think on it.
That's how I see it.
And ya, I get a kick out of public figures saying stupid ####, specifically sports and politicians. This is my version of the Kardashians.
|
It's not being used as a verb in your example, it's an adjective but even then it's being used as a derogatory, racist reference to a group of people. So it's still fire-worthy.
The only use of the word in that room that I can see him getting any lesser reaction from is if he was quoting the word and saying he didn't like music with it in it. Even then it's so tone deaf I question his judgment.
Where I would have an inner conflict is if he admitted it, it was a one-off and he made a super abject and proper apology. Then I don;'t know if I give him another chance or say "I believe you are sincere but we still can't keep you".
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:15 AM
|
#546
|
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
Leonardo DiCaprio said it in Django unchained... And I tink was nominated for awards.
|
Leonardo DiCaprio was playing a character who owned slaves in the pre Civil War South. "Playing a character" being the operative phrase.
And he didn't win an Oscar for Django - Christoph Walz did, and his character only says the N word when undercover to curry favor with slave owners. He never calls Django one. Or addresses any black character in that way. Leo's Oscar is for the Revenant.
I'll amend the statement: white people can't say the N word unless they're acting in a movie, and even then, they should only say it when working with auteurs.
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:18 AM
|
#547
|
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ped
That sounds less like context and more like victim blaming.
He sucked so it was okay if (and yes, right now that's an IF), Peters treated him like crap?
Please.
|
Can you stop jumping all over people before facts behind an allegation (or, in this case... the suggestion of dislike)
I'm not entirely up to date, but has he even made an allegation? Is he even a victim to be blaming? Is this even blaming?
It looks like context into how long they were together, what he contributed in that time, and what he went on to do. Context.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Split98 For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:18 AM
|
#548
|
|
Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
|
News UpdateTSN has been able to independently corroborate Aliu's story with two of his teammates
Quote:
Former NHL player Akim Aliu said on Monday that current Calgary Flames coach Bill Peters repeatedly hurled racial epithets in his presence in a minor league locker room a decade ago.
Speaking publicly for the first time since he made the allegation on Twitter, the Nigerian-born Aliu said Peters made the remarks in the AHL’s Rockford Ice Hogs dressing room before a morning skate during the 2009-10 season while the 20-year-old Aliu controlled the team’s music.
“He walked in before a morning pre-game skate and said ‘Hey Akim, I’m sick of you playing that n----- s---,’ ” Aliu told TSN, with Peters, who was then the Ice Hogs head coach, referring to Aliu’s selection of hip-hop music. “He said ‘I’m sick of hearing this n-----s f------ other n-----s in the ass stuff.’
“He then walked out like nothing ever happened. You could hear a pin drop in the room, everything went dead silent. I just sat down in my stall, didn’t say a word.”
Two of Aliu’s Rockford teammates who were in the room at the time of the alleged incident, Simon Pepin and Peter MacArthur, independently corroborated Aliu’s account to TSN on Tuesday.
"I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions or words spoken," Pepin said.
Aliu said Rockford team captain Jake Dowell later confronted Peters about the incident in the coach’s office. Dowell could not immediately be reached for comment.
When Peters then called Aliu into his office to talk about it, Aliu said Peters did not apologize. Instead, Peters again expressed his displeasure in Aliu’s choice of music for the dressing room, with Aliu saying Peters said: “You know, I’m just sick of this n----- s---. It’s every day. From now on, we need to play different music.”
|
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 25 Users Say Thank You to sureLoss For This Useful Post:
|
Cali Panthers Fan,
CF84,
direwolf,
dissentowner,
flamesforcup,
FlamesNation23,
Frank MetaMusil,
GioforPM,
kirant,
kukkudo,
Lanny'sDaMan,
Looch City,
Machiavelli,
Makarov,
me_dennis,
mile,
OldSam,
Rando,
Reaper,
shogged,
Split98,
stone hands,
theJuice,
TheScorpion,
Torture
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:18 AM
|
#549
|
|
Norm!
|
I'm guaranteeing right now that there are more then a few NHL Minor league coaches and amateur major junior coaches that are sweating right now.
__________________
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to CaptainCrunch For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:18 AM
|
#550
|
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Leonardo DiCaprio was playing a character who owned slaves in the pre Civil War South. "Playing a character" being the operative phrase.
And he didn't win an Oscar for Django - Christoph Walz did, and his character only says the N word when undercover to curry favor with slave owners. He never calls Django one. Or addresses any black character in that way. Leo's Oscar is for the Revenant.
I'll amend the statement: white people can't say the N word unless they're acting in a movie, and even then, they should only say it when working with auteurs.
|
It gave Decaprio a lot of inner trouble to say it and he needed Jamie Foxx and Samuel L Jackson to convince him.
ETA: On the other hand Tarantino writing it for himself in Pulp Fiction was stupid and I think he has issues. Jackson didn't like that either.
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:20 AM
|
#551
|
|
Franchise Player
|
Some people have mentioned this being a #metoo moment for NHL coaches -- it wasn't that long ago that Bob Hartley was called out for being a bully from when he was coaching in Colorado. According to Google this came to light in 2013 (when he was with the Flames); interestingly there was also a thread on CP last year about how Cory Sarich said Hartley was the worst coach he ever played for: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=166506
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tvp2003 For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:21 AM
|
#552
|
|
Powerplay Quarterback
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
|
welp, goodbye peters
|
|
|
|
|
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to stone hands For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:21 AM
|
#553
|
|
Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I'm guaranteeing right now that there are more then a few NHL Minor league coaches and amateur major junior coaches that are sweating right now.
|
Just the white ones. Oh, wait...
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:21 AM
|
#554
|
Participant  |
Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
|
Wow. That’s disgusting.
|
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to PepsiFree For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:21 AM
|
#555
|
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Nachodamus.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
|
Indefensible. Get Peters off of my Team.
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:21 AM
|
#556
|
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
|
bye Bill.
|
|
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to devo22 For This Useful Post:
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:22 AM
|
#557
|
|
First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Calgary
|
I'd expect we'll hear of his firing imminently now there is corroboration.
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:23 AM
|
#558
|
|
First Line Centre
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
It's not being used as a verb in your example, it's an adjective but even then it's being used as a derogatory, racist reference to a group of people. So it's still fire-worthy.
The only use of the word in that room that I can see him getting any lesser reaction from is if he was quoting the word and saying he didn't like music with it in it. Even then it's so tone deaf I question his judgment.
Where I would have an inner conflict is if he admitted it, it was a one-off and he made a super abject and proper apology. Then I don;'t know if I give him another chance or say "I believe you are sincere but we still can't keep you".
|
Ah right, always mix those two up. But ya, if he used it as an adjective or quoted a song 10 years ago. Give an apology and be done with it. Honestly I can't even pretend to be outraged by that.
Now I'm picturing Peters trying to quote Real N*** Role Call with Ice Cube haha. I loved that song but god damn is it not one to sing along too.
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:23 AM
|
#559
|
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
|
^ If he said he was sick of the music with having that word as a lyric, not saying is as the type of music, and it just came out wrong?
|
|
|
|
|
11-26-2019, 10:23 AM
|
#560
|
|
Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
I'd say there's basically zero chance a former player doesn't support Aliu's accusation by the end of the week. Especially in light of the media appetite for stories like this in the social fabric right now.
|
wow, quicker than I thought.
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:11 AM.
|
|
