TSN: 2 teammates independently corroborate Akim Aliu's allegations against Peters

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by sa226

First off, I'm not defending what was allegedly said. Just wondering out loud.

If he is let go, that must be a pretty slippery slope. Its a sad state of affairs, that I would be hard pressed to think that Bill Peters is the only guy in the NHL who has ever uttered a racial slur. Players? Referess? Other coaches? Managers? If Peters is let go, and that precedent is set, yikes. Hell, I could even see it permeate into other leagues.

It's a slippery slope to a better and healthier sports society overall. This is not a negative.

[Buck Murdock]

This will also open up the flood gates for all the insane stuff players do. RIP NHL hockey.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sa226

First off, I'm not defending what was allegedly said. Just wondering out loud.

If he is let go, that must be a pretty slippery slope. Its a sad state of affairs, that I would be hard pressed to think that Bill Peters is the only guy in the NHL who has ever uttered a racial slur. Players? Referess? Other coaches? Managers? If Peters is let go, and that precedent is set, yikes. Hell, I could even see it permeate into other leagues.

And why not?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by sa226

First off, I'm not defending what was allegedly said. Just wondering out loud.

If he is let go, that must be a pretty slippery slope. Its a sad state of affairs, that I would be hard pressed to think that Bill Peters is the only guy in the NHL who has ever uttered a racial slur. Players? Referess? Other coaches? Managers? If Peters is let go, and that precedent is set, yikes. Hell, I could even see it permeate into other leagues.

Don't say racist things and you are fine. Not the world's highest bar to reach.

[Flash Walken]

this thread is an eye opening experience

[oldschoolcalgary]

its a bit of a slippery slope... rascist comments are clearly a no-go zone, where coaches should be fired...

the notion of 'abusive' gets a little grey... calling out a player for bad play? berating him in front of players? bag skating players? cussing and swearing at a player for mistakes in a film session?

i mean are those considered 'abusive' now... because that happens in all pro sports at one point or another...

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

We do not make a habit out of censoring art.

Of course we do.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Agree 100%. just because a boss is hard on you doesn't mean it is necessarily abuse of power.

How likely is it to hat a former pro journeyman hasn’t borne the brunt of severe criticism and discipline from numerous coaches? I suspect that if he singled out Peters it’s probably something pretty awful.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

this thread is an eye opening experience

It's crazy, some of these people are still living and thinking it's the 70's...

[devo22]

Originally Posted by sa226

First off, I'm not defending what was allegedly said. Just wondering out loud.

If he is let go, that must be a pretty slippery slope. Its a sad state of affairs, that I would be hard pressed to think that Bill Peters is the only guy in the NHL who has ever uttered a racial slur. Players? Referess? Other coaches? Managers? If Peters is let go, and that precedent is set, yikes. Hell, I could even see it permeate into other leagues.

and? I don't see a problem with this.

Step 1: don't be racist. There is no step 2.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

its a bit of a slippery slope... rascist comments are clearly a no-go zone, where coaches should be fired...

the notion of 'abusive' gets a little grey... calling out a player for bad play? berating him in front of players? bag skating players? cussing and swearing at a player for mistakes in a film session?

i mean are those considered 'abusive' now... because that happens in all pro sports at one point or another...

It's not a slippery slope at all because all that is actually being considered is a racist comment.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by sa226

First off, I'm not defending what was allegedly said. Just wondering out loud.

If he is let go, that must be a pretty slippery slope. Its a sad state of affairs, that I would be hard pressed to think that Bill Peters is the only guy in the NHL who has ever uttered a racial slur. Players? Referess? Other coaches? Managers? If Peters is let go, and that precedent is set, yikes. Hell, I could even see it permeate into other leagues.

Good. This is reprehensible and has no place in society, let alone a professional sportsing league. If this is what it takes to change the culture in various leagues then I for one applaud it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DJones

How long ago was that? Not excusing it but 15 years ago hearing rap called n**** music was a weekly occurrence. I think I had a teacher say that to me once haha.

Originally Posted by DJones

I asked if he called rap n**** music. Not a great thing for adult to say but it wasn't unheard of back then.

If he straight up called a black man a n**** in a condescending manor I am shocked he didn't get his ass kicked immediately and would have been fine with that response.

Neither is good, one is just multiple levels worse.

You described it as common and included a “haha”.

For future reference, this reads as though you are normalizing the situation. On the first page. So yes, it caused some confusion. And it being a weekly occurrence doesn’t give it a pass.

[Gaskal]

So as per Duhatschek's article on TheAthletic, Treliving's already spoken to Akim but declined further comment, pending more investigation.

[ComixZone]

Daniel Carcillo
@CarBombBoom13
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Switching gears to abusive coaches like Mike Babcock, Bill Peters & Jeff Perry

My breaking point came when I was sat at the front of the bus in the coach’s seat after an @OHLHockey game in Guelph Jeff sat ditectly behind me & was whispering his abusive rhetoric for 4 plus hours

He hasn't said anything specific about Babcock or Peters so far, and I'm not sure I see where Carcillo would have played for Peters - so could just be bringing Perry into the conversation without providing further information.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

It would be the prudent thing.

Especially when you have someone like Oliver Kylington in the room.

Also, the face of the franchise history wise being Iginla.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You described it as common and included a “haha”.

For future reference, this reads as though you are normalizing the situation. On the first page. So yes, it caused some confusion. And it being a weekly occurrence doesn’t give it a pass.

What it does do is make it more likely that Peters said something, I suppose.

So does the fact he didn't just say "I never said anything like that".

[direwolf]

This season has just been one massive dark cloud. I guess when all the dust settles, we can at least look forward to the inevitable new coach bump, and the Flames can climb back up the standings.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You described it as common and included a “haha”.

For future reference, this reads as though you are normalizing the situation. On the first page. So yes, it caused some confusion. And it being a weekly occurrence doesn’t give it a pass.

It was common. Using it as a verb and using it as a noun in a discriminatory way are two massively different things.

If it's the first way, give him a slap on wrist and make him give some statement of regret. If it's the second way, fire his ass, don't even need to think on it.

That's how I see it.

And ya, I get a kick out of public figures saying stupid ####, specifically sports and politicians. This is my version of the Kardashians.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by troutman

Abuse of employees is not acceptable, whether or not it is racist.

(Putting the Aliu thing aside for a second, because that is something different).

Define abuse in a hockey context. Is benching someone abuse? Is yelling at poor performance abuse? Is swearing abuse? Where is the line where coaching becomes abuse?

Hockey (and sports in general) are not a typical corporate environment, so how can one expect corporate boilerplate in how coaches address their team.

I find it interesting that everyone is now all of a sudden "NHL coaches are mean!". Yeah no kidding. This board is mean when the Flames don't play well.

I think there's an interesting discussion to be had about what is actually acceptable in modern pro sport, but I don't think those answers are necessarily obvious.