Ok, so Steinberg brought up the Zucker deal again just now on the Fan. His info suggests that the Wild are more interested in revisiting this than the Flames are. He then goes on to suggest the Flames should still do the deal (with a 1st round pick involved).
My question would be, if the Wild want this more than the Flames, why would the Flames still include a 1st?
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I want players who haven’t won the cup yet. Or at least haven’t won multiple.
Ya we need a guy who is pent up, a guy who has been getting blue balled in the playoffs the last few years. Is there anyone that made Stanley Cup finals two years in a row, big body, perennial 20 goal scorer?
Ok, so Steinberg brought up the Zucker deal again just now on the Fan. His info suggests that the Wild are more interested in revisiting this than the Flames are. He then goes on to suggest the Flames should still do the deal (with a 1st round pick involved).
My question would be, if the Wild want this more than the Flames, why would the Flames still include a 1st?
Ok, so Steinberg brought up the Zucker deal again just now on the Fan. His info suggests that the Wild are more interested in revisiting this than the Flames are. He then goes on to suggest the Flames should still do the deal (with a 1st round pick involved).
My question would be, if the Wild want this more than the Flames, why would the Flames still include a 1st?
Based on where the Flames are in their development, the 1st round pick should absolutely be in play to improve the team now. Whatever NHL player that pick could help acquire is likely to be more helpful to the goal of a Stanley Cup than the 26th pick of the draft, who will likely not be ready to make an impact for two years, if not more.
I don't know that Zucker is the guy though. I really felt the Flames dodged a bullet with that deal not going through.
I also don't quite understand how Frolik has managed to fall so far out of favor with Peters - he's arguably the second-best UFA the team has ever signed after Hudler, and I don't think there's ever been a time during his four years with the club that he hasn't earned his money. Which is more than you can say for a lot of UFAs this team has signed this decade.
Ya we need a guy who is pent up, a guy who has been getting blue balled in the playoffs the last few years. Is there anyone that made Stanley Cup finals two years in a row, big body, perennial 20 goal scorer?
Ugh.... now you make me hate the idea. Because that’s Neal.
Based on where the Flames are in their development, the 1st round pick should absolutely be in play to improve the team now. Whatever NHL player that pick could help acquire is likely to be more helpful to the goal of a Stanley Cup than the 26th pick of the draft, who will likely not be ready to make an impact for two years, if not more.
I don't know that Zucker is the guy though. I really felt the Flames dodged a bullet with that deal not going through.
I also don't quite understand how Frolik has managed to fall so far out of favor with Peters - he's arguably the second-best UFA the team has ever signed after Hudler, and I don't think there's ever been a time during his four years with the club that he hasn't earned his money. Which is more than you can say for a lot of UFAs this team has signed this decade.
I'm pretty much with you on this. While I'd be fine with Zucker on this team I don't like the idea of spending a 1st in that deal. I agree it should be in play but I think it should be spent elsewhere.
I'm pretty much with you on this. While I'd be fine with Zucker on this team I don't like the idea of spending a 1st in that deal. I agree it should be in play but I think it should be spent elsewhere.
As long as we're dealing with the Wild, there's one player on their roster I'd for sure give up the 1st for, and that's Devan Dubnyk.
I'm pretty much with you on this. While I'd be fine with Zucker on this team I don't like the idea of spending a 1st in that deal. I agree it should be in play but I think it should be spent elsewhere.
I'd be ok with the first if they take Neal or in the original deal if we get back a 2nd. Its basically a trade down that way.
Two centre contracts I find interesting are Derek stepan and Ryan getzlaf.
Both guys have actual salaries less than their cap hits in either one or both of their remaining years.
Getzlaf gets paid 6 million in his final year, meaning if Anaheim retained 2 million of his cap hit, they wouldn't actually have to pay any money out.
The same with stepan at about 1.5
Conceivably you move backlund and a pick for getzlaf with 2.25 retained and have essentially the same salary structure as you do with Backlund but with less term obligation and a significantly different look in your forward group.
I think it makes a lot of sense.
The Ducks are not moving Getzlaf to a division rival plus retaining salary for Backlund. It makes no sense for them.
I think that balances things out a lot better overall.
Agreed, Brodie+ for Kadri seems to make pretty good sense for the Flames. He helps slot Backlund better, plays with an edge, can contribute offensively, really good contract. Babcock seemed pretty upset with Kadri based on his garbage day comments, so have to think he'll be moved.
Ok, so Steinberg brought up the Zucker deal again just now on the Fan. His info suggests that the Wild are more interested in revisiting this than the Flames are. He then goes on to suggest the Flames should still do the deal (with a 1st round pick involved).
My question would be, if the Wild want this more than the Flames, why would the Flames still include a 1st?
From what I gather the original deal was Frolik + 1st for Zucker. Presumably that factored in having Zucker for the playoffs. Maybe without that value, the Flames don't want to move the 1st. Or maybe they realize now Zucker doesn't want to move and they don't want to bring an unhappy player onto the roster.
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