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Jeff Lebowski · 03-07-2019, 08:47 AM

I thought CGY played quite well and its like many others have stated they are just snake bitten right now. The chances are there and it will go in again if they keep sticking with it.

I'm probably wrong but sometimes I do think CGY, as a young talented team, feel like they need to score a pretty one or pass it into the net in order to get their swagger going. I'd love to see pretty goals all day long but if it's going against you a little bit - that's when you have to simplify, tilt the ice, get a 'direct' goal first.
Maybe they force plays too much early on and it results in no chance/shot or a very low probability one. They get in the rhythm of over passing and it becomes a game where they chase.

Instead play very direct and simple early and those cross ice passing lanes will open up later in the game. Get the swagger from dominant shifts not necessarily pretty plays. Bah what do I know but the team is close.
Hrudey mentioned that the exits and entries weren't as sharp and that's an area to focus : clean exits - moving the puck quickly in the defensize zone and then sharp passing out of it.

The team is too good for any worry but one would like to see them adjust the attack a little to get momentum and good vibes going.

BigFlameDog · 03-07-2019, 08:59 AM

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How Tkachuk got the extra two out of that is embarrassing for the league IMO. GD joke.

Textcritic · 03-07-2019, 09:02 AM

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Wasn't the rumor Frolik blocked the trade??

That was mused about here, but I believe that Friedman came out afterwards and said that was not the problem.

BigFlameDog · 03-07-2019, 09:09 AM

I think it is a relatively inexperienced team when it comes to playing in the deep end and they have to figure out how to play in the trenches this time of year.

I have way more confidence in Peters helping them through this than Gully and they have some seemingly great leaders in Gio, Hamonic and Neal that will try to drag them along.

To learn how to win this time of year you have to learn how to lose this time of year...we will see.

TheScorpion · 03-07-2019, 09:10 AM

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How Tkachuk got the extra two out of that is embarrassing for the league IMO. GD joke.

No it isn't. He skated unimpeded and crashed into Fleury. It was pretty clearly on purpose. I call that every single time.

Flash Walken · 03-07-2019, 09:13 AM

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And the other three on the panel? Are you saying it was a good goal?

I think it was a good goal.

What I"m saying is, the league a freakin' disaster of a sports league if a guy who was qualified enough to be a team president doesn't know what the rule is for contact with the goalie.

It is literally decided arbitrarily on the spot given the context of the game and the emotions of the guys in the league office doing the review.

There IS no rule or standard. That's the point.

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That disallowed goal was hard for me to understand. I understand the contact but Tkachuk is outside the paint and what was Tkachuk supposed to do differently? Is he supposed to quickly check where MAF has the head of his stick while he fights for position in front of the net? To me that’s on MAF and it’s incidental contact resulting from a hockey play that happens 100 times in a game. Embarrassing indeed Matthew. .

The Crease is completely meaningless. It's an on ice decoration.

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If a goalie initiates the contact outside of the crease and the forward gets called for interference, why even have a painted crease? It serves no purpose. Might as well just have a zero tolerance rule against goalie contact. The league says it wants to increase scoring and then shoots itself in the foot almost nightly with these kind of overturned calls.

You are right, the crease serves no purpose.

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Did anyone else think that might have been Sam Bennett's worst game as a Flame?

Certainly his worst game this calendar year.

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The NHL has bungled this rule up for so long that nobody knows what this penalty is. The on ice officials dont know and the guys in the booth dont know. Its actually turned into a pretty big joke. It will be even worse in the playoffs. For the past 5 or so years now the NHL has a serious officiating issue. The officials have taken it upon themselves to have their hands on the outcome of the games. It never used to be this way. One period they call every little infraction regardless how soft it is, the next period they put their whistles away. It just doesnt make sense. Its tough to watch some nights.

This is basically it.

Flames Fan, Ph.D. · 03-07-2019, 09:21 AM

I stand by my proposal in the GDT that the reviews should be done separately, simultaneously and in isolation by both refs, with their individual rulings having to be unanimous.

At least that disallowed goal gave us a great gif of tkachuk telling the refs "that's embarrassing"

Looch City · 03-07-2019, 09:22 AM

Fleury acting like he got run over by a semi and shot with a bazooka from the stands actually pissed me off more than the GI call.

Wrong sport there Fleury.

Insufficient Funds · 03-07-2019, 09:23 AM

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No it isn't. He skated unimpeded and crashed into Fleury. It was pretty clearly on purpose. I call that every single time.

That did take place, but Tkachuk wasn't being penalized for that. The ref was watching the play from 10 feet away and didn't raise his arm. This was noted by Ball and Hrudey on the TV broadcast. The double minor was a result of the scrum afterwards where I'm not sure how they gave him the extra 2.

Boblobla · 03-07-2019, 09:26 AM

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I didn't even notice Sam Bennett on the ice, in a greasy game like last night he should have been all over the place causing havoc like Tkachuk. Sean Monahan has been absolutely terrible lately also, Peters needs to send a message to a couple guys. Playoffs are going to be embarrassing if this effort keeps up.

I noticed Bennett several times, as he was constantly coughing up the puck. Monahan looks hurt, it worries me.

burnitdown · 03-07-2019, 09:28 AM

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That did take place, but Tkachuk wasn't being penalized for that. The ref was watching the play from 10 feet away and didn't raise his arm. This was noted by Ball and Hrudey on the TV broadcast. The double minor was a result of the scrum afterwards where I'm not sure how they gave him the extra 2.

Tkachuk got 2 mins for goalie interference on the play so the refs undeniably caught it. Ball and Hrudey were wrong when they said otherwise, as announcers can make mistakes.

habernac · 03-07-2019, 09:29 AM

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That did take place, but Tkachuk wasn't being penalized for that. The ref was watching the play from 10 feet away and didn't raise his arm. This was noted by Ball and Hrudey on the TV broadcast. The double minor was a result of the scrum afterwards where I'm not sure how they gave him the extra 2.

Because he started it?

PeteMoss · 03-07-2019, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

That did take place, but Tkachuk wasn't being penalized for that. The ref was watching the play from 10 feet away and didn't raise his arm. This was noted by Ball and Hrudey on the TV broadcast. The double minor was a result of the scrum afterwards where I'm not sure how they gave him the extra 2.

He got a penalty for goalie interference. So even if it wasn't initially called - that was why he got the extra two. They also got a roughing minor each.

transplant99 · 03-07-2019, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

That did take place, but Tkachuk wasn't being penalized for that. The ref was watching the play from 10 feet away and didn't raise his arm. This was noted by Ball and Hrudey on the TV broadcast. The double minor was a result of the scrum afterwards where I'm not sure how they gave him the extra 2.

Yes he was

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Matthew Tkachuk: 2 minutes for Interference - Goalkeeper

the official didnt raise his arm because he blew his whistle instead as the Flames had possession when MT was being wreckless.

Flash Walken · 03-07-2019, 09:39 AM

The call on the ice was a goal.

I'm pretty sure the decision to over turn came down from the league, not the refs.

Jeff Lebowski · 03-07-2019, 09:46 AM

A couple of times on the PK I noticed Janko making some questionable decisions (I’m a huge fan of his and think he’s great on the PK)

-He and Lindholm get puck out and on 2 on 2, he enters offensive zone and tries to cut across to middle to create a play. He gets taken all the way to opposite boards and is dispossessed, trapping him and Lindholm. Play transitions up ice and eventually VGK scores 1-0 PP goal.

-Another PK he gets puck in defensive zone and tries to put a pass through a guy’s legs and it gets stuffed. Nothing happened but it was a non ideal risk/benefit assessment by him.

I like that he’s trying to make things happen and I want him to keep that mentality but it’s about picking spots or in first example making sure. Basically experience.

schteve_d · 03-07-2019, 09:48 AM

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I noticed Bennett several times, as he was constantly coughing up the puck. Monahan looks hurt, it worries me.

I have to think this isn't the case as I would sure like to hope that management would be smart enough to shut him down now and get him healthy for the playoffs.

Voodooman · 03-07-2019, 09:54 AM

I loved to see some fire back in Chucky's game, and absolutely loved him stirring the pot in that scrum. I'd pay real money to have heard the chirping going on during that.

And I would have paid double to see Rittich feed the Flower his lunch. MAF is a big talker, and I feel like BSD would have just pounded him.

Flash Walken · 03-07-2019, 10:04 AM

nothing about monahan's game suggests to me he is injured.

He's still taking and winning draws, he's still skating, he's still finding himself in front of the net, he's still winning battles on the boards.

Sometimes guys just go cold. Look at Laine.

Robbob · 03-07-2019, 10:06 AM

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Wasn't the rumor Frolik blocked the trade??

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That was mused about here, but I believe that Friedman came out afterwards and said that was not the problem.

There was a tweet that came out saying that Zucker has a personal situation similar to what Brad Stuart had when Sutter traded for him. There is a child involved and Zucker SO would not be able to move with him. If I had to speculate that is why Treliving was pissed, as that information was probably passed on very late in the process. So Fenton either didn't know or didn't care and were putting the Flames in an awkward spot. Would also explain why the agent wasn't happy.