2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Where did I say Duchene is a rental? If we are going for Duchene it’s with the intention of locking him up long term to be part of the core.

Also Czarnik was coveted by 24 teams this off season, I’m sure he is still high on many teams lists who feel like they could offer him a better opportunity

In large part because he was free
Much different than asking them to give up something for him
I would think Boston explored trading him last year

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Schmaltz (STL), Scherbak (LA), Wideman (FLA) on waivers

[Mr.Coffee]

It’s been a hell of a year for Chris Wideman, wow. Starting the year in tire fire Ottawa, getting caught on Uber Funniest Home Videos, getting traded to Edmonton. Then even Edmonton doesn’t want you and ships you off to Florida, who hasn’t won anything ever. And now you’re on waivers.

Ouch.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Trade Smith and a 5th to Arizona to retire for future considerations to clear the cap for a rental or another trade.

I don’t think the going rate of taking on about $2M of cash to be paid (I’m assuming the cap is not relevant to Arizona, although they would make someone pay something for that), is quite a bit more than a 5th round pick LOL. Arizona doesn’t pay money easily.

There is no such thing as “future considerations” in a cap world.


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[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It’s been a hell of a year for Chris Wideman, wow. Starting the year in tire fire Ottawa, getting caught on Uber Funniest Home Videos, getting traded to Edmonton. Then even Edmonton doesn’t want you and ships you off to Florida, who hasn’t won anything ever. And now you’re on waivers.

Ouch.

No doubt eh?

THere has to be more to this story. Off ice?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No doubt eh?

THere has to be more to this story. Off ice?

Well he's also not very good. It's not like this is some good NHL'er with a msyterious inability to stick on a roster. There's plenty of borderline players that either bounce around a bit, stick on the bottom of one team or fall out of the NHL.

He's one of those guys.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Where did I say Duchene is a rental? If we are going for Duchene it’s with the intention of locking him up long term to be part of the core.

Also Czarnik was coveted by 24 teams this off season, I’m sure he is still high on many teams lists who feel like they could offer him a better opportunity

This isn't the proper way to look at it. A) 24 teams were "coveting" him as a free pick up with potential. B) He's shown enough in Calgary between scratches and poor performances for the shine to wear way off.


No doubt there's still a bunch of teams in the league that would like to try to give him an opportunity, but not for value in a trade. They'd take him off waivers or it would be a nothing for nothing swap of some other team's struggling, insignificant asset.

You put him in a real hockey trade and the needle would barely move, if at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Where did I say Duchene is a rental? If we are going for Duchene it’s with the intention of locking him up long term to be part of the core.

Also Czarnik was coveted by 24 teams this off season, I’m sure he is still high on many teams lists who feel like they could offer him a better opportunity

You don’t have to say anything about Duchene being a rental because we all know he is. The guy is a UFA at seasons end. Regardless of you wanting to re-sign him doesn’t mean he will or the Flames can. We need to expect any pending ufa we acquire is a rental and based on our cap situation it will be very challenging to retain anyone of significance that we pick up.

I still think we will need to shed a cap hit like Brodie in addition to Frolik in order to keep Tkachuk around and hopefully find a long term solution in net.

[Phagoof]

I think going after a legit center would be the Flames best move, simply because it could be a 2 for 1. Imagine landing Duchene/Schenn etc and them having chemistry with Neal and getting him going. That would be the hope but even if he continued in his ways, it would be still be solid.

[dammage79]

What the hell has happened to Scherbak? That guy was supposed to be a buzzsaw.

[Canada 02]

would not be surprised if the Oilers picked up Schmaltz; Hitch had him in St Louis and liked his offensive potential, but needs work on the defensive side. Sounds like a prototypical Oiler

[Sylvanfan]

What's up with Viktor Rask this year? He'd put up some decent seasons in the NHL but is really struggling this year. 3 more years at 4 per year after this one.

Listed as a 6'2 200 pound center. Does he actually play center and what type of game does he play? Can he skate well enough for the current NHL

[Strange Brew]

Apart from draft picks, what assets do the Flames have they’d be willing to part with that would be of significant value to a team out of the playoffs?

One of the young defensemen?
Bennett, Jankowski?

Those options only work if you’re getting a better player back at those positions. And if it’s a rental, those players would have to be replaced next year.

The team is not overflowing with either draft picks or prospects at this time. This may not be the year to make a big move even though it looks like a contender.

Dealing veterans is more likely to happen in the offseason.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Where did I say Duchene is a rental? If we are going for Duchene it’s with the intention of locking him up long term to be part of the core.

Also Czarnik was coveted by 24 teams this off season, I’m sure he is still high on many teams lists who feel like they could offer him a better opportunity

Where did you say the Flames would sign him to an extension? Maybe you said so in an earlier post, but not the one I quoted.

Regardless, I don't see the scenario of the Flames adding a high priced pending UFA to the roster with the intent of resigning him. They have enough contracts to deal with this summer. What's it going to take to sign Tkachuck, Bennett, and Rittich? What's Duschene going to want?

Given how he and his agent have carried themselves over the last 3 years or so, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him looking for 9+/year whether he's worth it or not. If you're the Islanders, yeah you can do that, but if you're the Flames, no chance without moving other significant assets to make room.

duschene only makes sense as a rental for the Flames & I don't see the Flames giving up the assets it's going to take to outbid who knows how many other teams to get him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Apart from draft picks, what assets do the Flames have they’d be willing to part with that would be of significant value to a team out of the playoffs?

One of the young defensemen?
Bennett, Jankowski?

Those options only work if you’re getting a better player back at those positions. And if it’s a rental, those players would have to be replaced next year.

The team is not overflowing with either draft picks or prospects at this time. This may not be the year to make a big move even though it looks like a contender.

Dealing veterans is more likely to happen in the offseason.

I don't think the Flames will be moving young pieces off their NHL roster.

From their active roster, the only pieces I could see being moved are Frolik and Smith.

Teams in this position don't subtract from what has been working so well, they add to it with futures. I definitely think this is the type of year you go "all in", because chances like these don't happen.

We're also very, very young in almost all the key positions, so losing draft picks isn't the worst thing in the next year or two.

[Vinny01]

I have mentioned before that I think Brodie could be a player that the Flames sell high on next year when they will have some big decisions to make with him and Hamonic. Our big 4 forwards are 21-25 and we have 4 very solid Dmen 22 and younger. Treliving has already made the decision to pay Giordano, Backlund and Neal +$5M for contracts in their 30’s. I think he will do that with Brodie or Hamonic but not both. With Hamonic wanting to be in the West, right shot, physical, and being the ultimate team and community guy they are going to keep him. He also was an expensive acquisition and a guy Treliving brought in.

Brodie has rebuilt his value and he looks like a legit top pairing Dman again. We can thank our captain as he proved with Hamilton he can make his D partners look like elite players. I could see the Flames being able to get a pick in the 10-20 range in the draft this summer and maybe a little more?

If they have the idea that they will move Brodie or Hamonic this summer for a 1st then I do think they should be considering moving their own 1st this season to bolster their lineup. I would prefer that player having some term left on their contract and the other team taking back Frolik’s contract. If the Flames take on a player with term like Schenn and his $5.125 cap hit they would gain some cap relief bundling Frolik’s $4.3M in that deal and then moving Brodie’s $4.65M for picks at the draft. They load up for this season but avoid losing a core piece for nothing and still stocking the prospect cupboard with a higher pick than we would have with our own first.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have mentioned before that I think Brodie could be a player that the Flames sell high on next year when they will have some big decisions to make with him and Hamonic. Our big 4 forwards are 21-25 and we have 4 very solid Dmen 22 and younger. Treliving has already made the decision to pay Giordano, Backlund and Neal +$5M for contracts in their 30’s. I think he will do that with Brodie or Hamonic but not both. With Hamonic wanting to be in the West, right shot, physical, and being the ultimate team and community guy they are going to keep him. He also was an expensive acquisition and a guy Treliving brought in.

Brodie has rebuilt his value and he looks like a legit top pairing Dman again. We can thank our captain as he proved with Hamilton he can make his D partners look like elite players. I could see the Flames being able to get a pick in the 10-20 range in the draft this summer and maybe a little more?

If they have the idea that they will move Brodie or Hamonic this summer for a 1st then I do think they should be considering moving their own 1st this season to bolster their lineup. I would prefer that player having some term left on their contract and the other team taking back Frolik’s contract. If the Flames take on a player with term like Schenn and his $5.125 cap hit they would gain some cap relief bundling Frolik’s $4.3M in that deal and then moving Brodie’s $4.65M for picks at the draft. They load up for this season but avoid losing a core piece for nothing and still stocking the prospect cupboard with a higher pick than we would have with our own first.

Interesting scenario laid out here. Tend to agree, although the one pending UFA I wouldn't mind seeing the Flames take a run at this deadline is Simmonds.

The Flames have some bad blood brewing with the Oilers & Sharks. The playoffs are a different game, wouldn't mind seeing them add some toughness. I'm not sure how Treliving might be able to pull it off at a palatable cost, but a player like him could be pretty useful in April.

Schenn would also be a great target.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't think the Flames will be moving young pieces off their NHL roster.

From their active roster, the only pieces I could see being moved are Frolik and Smith.

Teams in this position don't subtract from what has been working so well, they add to it with futures. I definitely think this is the type of year you go "all in", because chances like these don't happen.

We're also very, very young in almost all the key positions, so losing draft picks isn't the worst thing in the next year or two.

So all you’re left with is trading draft picks.

What if you want to go all in again next year? I think you need to keep a pipeline of prospects so you can have players on elc’s. I don’t see this year as once in a lifetime. Are there young teams we expect to get better quicker than us? Or good teams having off seasons?

No wrong answer obviously but right now, I’m more of the staying patient mindset.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have mentioned before that I think Brodie could be a player that the Flames sell high on next year when they will have some big decisions to make with him and Hamonic. Our big 4 forwards are 21-25 and we have 4 very solid Dmen 22 and younger. Treliving has already made the decision to pay Giordano, Backlund and Neal +$5M for contracts in their 30’s. I think he will do that with Brodie or Hamonic but not both. With Hamonic wanting to be in the West, right shot, physical, and being the ultimate team and community guy they are going to keep him. He also was an expensive acquisition and a guy Treliving brought in.

Brodie has rebuilt his value and he looks like a legit top pairing Dman again. We can thank our captain as he proved with Hamilton he can make his D partners look like elite players. I could see the Flames being able to get a pick in the 10-20 range in the draft this summer and maybe a little more?

If they have the idea that they will move Brodie or Hamonic this summer for a 1st then I do think they should be considering moving their own 1st this season to bolster their lineup. I would prefer that player having some term left on their contract and the other team taking back Frolik’s contract. If the Flames take on a player with term like Schenn and his $5.125 cap hit they would gain some cap relief bundling Frolik’s $4.3M in that deal and then moving Brodie’s $4.65M for picks at the draft. They load up for this season but avoid losing a core piece for nothing and still stocking the prospect cupboard with a higher pick than we would have with our own first.

I want to think each of them are worth more than a first.
We have a great dressing room culture, so I agree in making any big moves in the off-season.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

HNIC:

NHL and NHLPA expected meet this week about CBA and world cup in 2020
in the next 2 weeks the PA might table an offer to the owners and Bettman to extend the CBA
one of the thing in the offer is to alleviate escrow but details are not known on how they plan on doing that

IIHF wants to play on NHL sized rinks at the Olympics and future international events
some believe this is an olive branch directed to the NHL

Canucks considered asking Quinn Hughes to join them after the WJC.
In the end they decided not to because they had made a deal with Hughes not to discuss it until the end of the season.
(*sounds like the Canucks are trying to earn brownie points with Hughes by making this public*)

Canucks to try and re-sign Edler
Edler's AAV might increase but it will be on a short term deal

talks between Duchene and Sens have cooled

Carolina has said they aren't in the posistion to UFAs walk for nothing
Don't believe Ferland or the team are anywhere close to a deal
Both McElhinney and Mrazek are UFA but the Canes aren't ready to make a move there yet. They need someone to play.
Friedman wonders about Dougie Hamilton because the Canes already have 4 RHS D. They have been asked about Hamilton. If the return is a scorer than Friedman thinks they will consider moving Dougie.

McLean points out how players who leave Carolina seem to do better. Lindholm, Hanifin, Skinner, Staal. Even 2 coaches at the ASG are former Canes coaches.

Although I’m not entirely certain I’ll have the willpower, if there’s another NHL lockout I’m going to be so damn pissed off. I will do everything in my power to stop following the NHL.