[Signing] Flames sign James Neal (5 years, 5.75 AAV)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Joborule

And we're living in the present, where they're producing the exact same goal wise. At least Lucic has size going for him.

Last time I looked Neal had 300% more goals this season.

He also costs less.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last time I looked Neal had 300% more goals this season.

He also costs less.

They are both looking like awful signings at the moment. Perhaps there is more hope for Neal to rebound as that is the only positive I can think of.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

They are both looking like awful signings at the moment. Perhaps there is more hope for Neal to rebound as that is the only positive I can think of.

My post remains accurate.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Neal’s value to this team isn’t just goals though...Neal is:

- Great in the face off circle
- Amazing on the penalty kill
- A consistent playmaker, bringing his line mates into the game
- Always a massive physical presence
- Ready to drop the gloves when needed

If he wasn’t doing all that stuff and was paid 5.75 million for the singular role of being a sniper and scoring goals, I’d imagine folks would be pretty upset right now.

Give me a break man.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

My post remains accurate.

Technically. It does ignore having to buy out Brouwer. Which honestly just depresses me. We swapped out a boat anchor for a bigger one and then still had to keep some of the old one around for longer than planned.

Like I said the only optimism I really have is that Neal can still rebound. Because otherwise the Neal/Brouwer dead money is really going to make it harder for Teliving to improve the team down the road.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It was sarcasm.

CanadaMatt only posts about Neal.

I’ll think you’ll find the majority of my posts this weekend havent been about Neal.

Anyway, back on topic. The point of my post was that when other players struggle you can see them try other things to contribute.

- Bennett (who is second place on my #### list) punches someone in the face when he’s not scoring.
- Jankowski at least kills penalties when he’s not scoring.
- Chucky draws penalties when he’s not scoring.
- Derek Ryan wins 56% of defensive end face offs when he is not scoring.

...wtf does Neal do when he’s not scoring?

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Give me a break man.

Did you think I was serious?

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Did you think I was serious?

Haha, I just re-read. I get the sarcasm now, sorry, I'm hungry...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Technically. It does ignore having to buy out Brouwer. Which honestly just depresses me. We swapped out a boat anchor for a bigger one and then still had to keep some of the old one around for longer than planned.

Like I said the only optimism I really have is that Neal can still rebound. Because otherwise the Neal/Brouwer dead money is really going to make it harder for Teliving to improve the team down the road.

Technically? How else do you assess "scored more goals"? Anyway the point was that Lucic is in no way, shape or form superior to Neal. Lucic has fewer goals, more pms, costs more, can't be moved at all, can't even be bought out with much degree of effectiveness.

And you are right, Neal has better upside.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Technically? How else do you assess "scored more goals"? Anyway the point was that Lucic is in no way, shape or form superior to Neal. Lucic has fewer goals, more pms, costs more, can't be moved at all, can't even be bought out with much degree of effectiveness.

And you are right, Neal has better upside.

Yep. Lucic is worse than Neal.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yep. Lucic is worse than Neal.

I wonder if Chia would trade Lucic+Puljujujujuivviviaria for Neal

With he the rate he's goin, it's worth a shot.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

I wonder if Chia would trade Lucic+Puljujujujuivviviaria for Neal

With he the rate he's goin, it's worth a shot.

Who, south of Red Deer, wins that?

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Who, south of Red Deer, wins that?

Well, the cap hits are basically a wash.

Flames could use some more physicality. Lucic-Ryan-Hathaway would be a good physical 4th line.

Oilers need scoring. I'm sure Neal would start putting the puck in the net with McDavid driving the line, hell, look at Chaison.

Flames get a nice prospect who we might be able to turn around.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Puljujarvi
Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik
Lucic-Ryan-Hathaway

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Well, the cap hits are basically a wash.

Flames could use some more physicality. Lucic-Ryan-Hathaway would be a good physical 4th line.

Oilers need scoring. I'm sure Neal would start putting the puck in the net with McDavid driving the line, hell look at Chaison.

Flames get a nice prospect who we might be able to turn around.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Puljujarvi
Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik
Lucic-Ryan-Hathaway

This could blow up in our faces. Neal has a lack of chemistry here but I feel like he could still regain form some where else or with different players. I wouldn't chance this with the Oilers.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

I’ll think you’ll find the majority of my posts this weekend havent been about Neal.

Anyway, back on topic. The point of my post was that when other players struggle you can see them try other things to contribute.

- Bennett (who is second place on my #### list) punches someone in the face when he’s not scoring.
- Jankowski at least kills penalties when he’s not scoring.
- Chucky draws penalties when he’s not scoring.
- Derek Ryan wins 56% of defensive end face offs when he is not scoring.

...wtf does Neal do when he’s not scoring?

Jankowski kills penalties while he IS scoring.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Psytic

This could blow up in our faces. Neal has a lack of chemistry here but I feel like he could still regain form some where else or with different players. I wouldn't chance this with the Oilers.

If you don't think he's going to cut it here, there's no point in wasting the roster spot and the lineup spot.


You can't worry about if he'll pick it up somewhere else.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Neal has 300 percent more goals.

Are you at all worried that Lucic has 175 percent more assists and 14 percent more points? Is it possible that Neal is only a prolific goal scorer but lacks the all-around offensive game of a Milan Lucic?

[FlamesAreOne]

Saw him at Greta bar last night along with Janko, Chucky, Hathway and others.

All I'll say is every fan I talk to regarding Neal is so pissed haha.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Saw him at Greta bar last night along with Janko, Chucky, Hathway and others.

All I'll say is every fan I talk to regarding Neal is so pissed haha.

What does seeing him out with teammates have to do with what fans you talk to say about him?

[FlamesAreOne]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

What does seeing him out with teammates have to do with what fans you talk to say about him?

Because everyone was looking their way all night obviously and everyone was laughing about how brutal Neal is.