[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[browna]

My biggest desire in a head coach was the experience of winning. Making playoffs constantly, winning series, constantly,and in the current era NHL.

That way, players can have full confidence that whatever methods or motivational tactics are employed, they have had tangible success and they will buy in.

Last year the team was still feeling out GG and gave him the benefit of the doubt that what he was saying, works. He didn't t get that benefit this season, and with no proven success to back up the words, he lost the team at the 5 day break.

With Peters, we again aren't getting that past history and reputation to back up his methods. Though at least it appears outwardly you have someone willing to not be Mr Nice guy all the time, so we will see.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Tre literally said in the press conference on Tuesday - when GG was fired - that they were going to start the process of hiring a new coach starting "now" and there was "a lot of work that needed to be done to conduct a thorough search"

One day later rumors about Peters start and three says later we're hearing its "a done deal".

How much due diligence has possibly happened in three days on multiple candidates?

Hopefully due diligence constituted more than just asking Peters if he was willing to use his out clause and coach in Calgary for $2M/year.

I can't see Peters using his out clause unless he already has an offer on the table, and if reports are true that Calgary asked for permission to talk to him, well, that's pretty much your smoking gun.

If Treliving's best move is hiring a coach whose only NHL experience is four seasons of missing the playoffs in spite of not deliberately tanking, in spite of the consensus expectations that the team should be a playoff team, then his head should be the next on the chopping block.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ This. (Two posts up, that is)

Even if he takes over the team and makes the playoffs, he needs to help the players learn how to approach them and win.
But he hasn’t done it, he will be learning himself along the way.

Learning on the job. That’s what Tre is doing and that’s what Gully was doing and it has been pretty darn bumpy

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by KevinKlineReadingABook

You think he would have told the media that they had already been looking at other coaches while GG still had the role?

I don't think Tre generally lies to the media. He often deflects, is extremely vague, hedges his response, or answers a different question. Thus, when he says something explicit like that, I take him at his word, yes.

[bluejays]

I don't understand those in this thread blindly defending management in this case. It's a results based business, and if this guy hasn't done anything noteworthy in the NHL or AHL, or even drives the best he can from his guys, what good is he? As fans, we have every right to be perplexed. I don't admit I know him as a person, but his track record is mediocre to put it politely, and for that in a results based business I feel the need to vent (as do others). Sure we'll see where this goes, but that's just blind trust. For all the good moves Treliving has made, he can't get his coaching right.

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I don't think Tre generally lies to the media. He often deflects, is extremely vague, hedges his response, or answers a different question. Thus, when he says something explicit like that, I take him at his word, yes.

Fair enough. Personally, I don't buy it. I don't think he fires GG without some groundwork laid out of their options moving forward. That's just my opinion though.

That said, once again: How do we know that AV or Sutter have any interest in coaching the Flames? Those calls might have happened, with AV and Sutter saying "Thanks, but no thanks." and hanging up.
Sure, that's pure conjecture, but it's just as valid as saying that Treliving hasn't bothered considering them.

My point is that there are a lot of people jumping to conclusions.

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by fleury

I don't understand those in this thread blindly defending management in this case. It's a results based business, and if this guy hasn't done anything noteworthy in the NHL or AHL, or even drives the best he can from his guys, what good is he? As fans, we have every right to be perplexed. I don't admit I know him as a person, but his track record is mediocre to put it politely, and for that in a results based business I feel the need to vent (as do others). Sure we'll see where this goes, but that's just blind trust. For all the good moves Treliving has made, he can't get his coaching right.

Because there is more to selecting the right coach for the team than just looking at NHL wins. The coaching style has to fit the team.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by KevinKlineReadingABook

Fair enough. Personally, I don't buy it. I don't think he fires GG without some groundwork laid out of their options moving forward. That's just my opinion though.

That said, once again: How do we know that AV or Sutter have any interest in coaching the Flames? Those calls might have happened, with AV and Sutter saying "Thanks, but no thanks." and hanging up.
Sure, that's pure conjecture, but it's just as valid as saying that Treliving hasn't bothered considering them.

My point is that there are a lot of people jumping to conclusions.

Articles with Sutter indicate that he is open to coaching in the right situation. Reports indicate he has maintained a good relationship with the owners.

Of course you can’t know for 100 percent certain but I think it is a weak case to pursue, guessing that these guys would not be interested in one of only a handful of jobs available at the top their field

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

My biggest desire in a head coach was the experience of winning. Making playoffs constantly, winning series, constantly,and in the current era NHL.

That way, players can have full confidence that whatever methods or motivational tactics are employed, they have had tangible success and they will buy in.

Last year the team was still feeling out GG and gave him the benefit of the doubt that what he was saying, works. He didn't t get that benefit this season, and with no proven success to back up the words, he lost the team at the 5 day break.

With Peters, we again aren't getting that past history and reputation to back up his methods. Though at least it appears outwardly you have someone willing to not be Mr Nice guy all the time, so we will see.

I was hoping for this too as I thought this particular group of players needed a proven winner. But I will keep an open mind and the pedigree could come from the assistants too. This is still a young team so in theory they shouldn’t need Scotty Bowman to convince them to listen.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by KevinKlineReadingABook

Because there is more to selecting the right coach for the team than just looking at NHL wins. The coaching style has to fit the team.

And there is more to winning than style. Ultimately outscoring your opponent is the only thing that translates in to wins

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Articles with Sutter indicate that he is open to coaching in the right situation. Reports indicate he has maintained a good relationship with the owners.

Of course you can’t know for 100 percent certain but I think it is a weak case to pursue, guessing that these guys would not be interested in one of only a handful of jobs available at the top their field

Still doesn't mean that he wants to coach the Flames, and it still doesn't mean that Treliving hasn't considered him for the role.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

You are all crazy. I am going to Toronto. Hope Fischy13 tells me what's what by the time I login again.

Sorry to disappoint bud. I spent the better part of my day harassing my source for more info. They aren’t letting anything more slip. My source did change their
Bitmoji to wear a Flames Jersey hahaha. I was so close to convincing them to text that to Peters with a ? They wouldn’t bite.

They will be texting me with anything new as it comes available though. I’ll be sure to pass along what I can.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This is a Rangers reporter. Take it as you will.

https://twitter.com/user/status/987459774089519104

Sounds like all these media guys are all going off the same source that started this rumor to begin with. Until I hear officially that Peters has been hired by the Flames, it's still nothing but rumors and speculation at this point. Some smoke, for sure. But certainly nothing concrete.

Also, wasn't there a tweet a few pages back from Shannon that said the word out of Calgary is that no decision has been made yet?

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

And there is more to winning than style. Ultimately outscoring your opponent is the only thing that translates in to wins

Sure, I certainly agree with you there.
There were also more faults with this past year's iteration of the Flames than just poor coaching. I certainly hope that Treliving plans on doing much more this off season than just putting a new head coach in place.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by New Era

Lighten up Francis. It was a joke.

Your jokes are absolutely terrible.

[colbym72]

I respect a GM that sticks to his vision and picks the guy he thinks is best for the job rather than just picking the guy that will please the fans. I wanted AV but I will support Peters until I can't anymore.

[FanIn80]

I’m wondering if Treliving has an aversion to coaches that are famous enough to be able to ignore him. Remember that Brad himself is still a new, unproven GM. I imagine someone like AV, Sutter, Trotz and people of that caliber/reputation would have an ego that would require a big name GM to keep in check.

I guess I’m saying that bigger-named coaches may want more input into player decisions than Brad is willing to give (or able to not give). Like if he hired Darryl Sutter, I imagine Sutter would be more demanding about acquiring certain players, and with Sutter’s pedigree, Brad would probably lose any internal power struggles, and before long it would be more Darryl’s team than Brad’s team. Why would Brad hire into a situation like that?

So we may just continue to higher coaches without any real pedigree. I mean, I don’t really care too much about having a big name coach. I just want someone who knows how to “coach-on-the-fly” in the middle of a game.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

How do you know they didn’t interview AV or Sutter?

Because somebody in the media would have got wind of it and because there has not been enough time to have had two big name coaches come in for interviews since Gully was fired.

[Freeway]

Nothing is done until it's done, but everything is pointing towards Peters signing here. He's headed to Europe on Wednesday, so I'd imagine if things are going to be firmed up it'll happen over the weekend.

[dammage79]

It's not just dour in here today. From what I could glean listening to the fan in the afternoon even Rob Kerr is pretty sour we aren't landing AV or Sutter. They're pretty much of the same negative conclusion the Peters = Gully 2.0 that's being fought against here.


I don't know, truth is no coaching hire is a guarantee to work out here. Hire AV and things blow up and we're in the lotto again. Hire Sutter and same thing happens? we are we then?

I think common consensus wants us to believe the proven track records have a greater probability of working out for our team but I'm also convinced that playing the odds doesn't always work in your favor.

I'm not against peters, I prefer AV.

But in the long run we have to wait to see the finished product of their work if Peters is hired. What assistants will he hire? What roster moves will Trelving make to make this roster conform more to the type of game he wants?

There's too many questions to fully form a strong feeling one way or the other on anything Treliving does. As annoying as it is, Hiring the coach is step #2 in building the 2018/19 Flames. Damn processes.

And for the record, the more Corsi gets tossed around about this hire, the more I grow to dislike it if it happens.