[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I'm listening to the Elliott Friedman interview and he's basically saying Tre is likely to hire Peters because "(1) he likes him and (2) The prior relationship between the two means there's comfort and therefore Tre should hire who you know best, which is Peters"

How about instead, Tre and Burke do some ####ing research and get to know the top end coaches in AV and Sutter and see if perhaps they're better than Peters. You know how we know Sutter and AV are good - its because they've had incredible success with multiple teams.

The chain of logic Elliott is spouting to suggest Peters is beyond stupid. It's basically advocating Tre should look past the garbage track-record and lack of experience of Peters because he knows him. And it suggests Tre should basically discount the amazing track record and experience of AV and Sutter because he doesn't know them.

And if that's how the organization is thinking of this decision internally, it 100% explains the decades of garbage we've seen on the ice.

Keep in mind you are listening to *Friedman’s* opinion of how he thinks Treliving is making the decision.

I think Friedman is just filling airtime. For Treliving not to carefully consider every valid option for a new coach goes against all of the decisions we’ve seen him make over his time as the Flames GM. Those decisions haven’t always worked out, but there has always been a thorough thought process behind them.

Until Treliving confirms that’s the key reason why he’s looking at Peters, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m confident that if Peters becomes the next Flames coach, that there will be stronger reasoning for it than simply “because Treliving knows him better than the other candidates.”

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's close but nobody will ever match the beaver pelt that Bourque has on his head.

At least he's not wearing a Marc "Hedgehog" Crawford.

Edit: Actually scratch that, the Bourque = the Crawford.

[dissentowner]

Doesn't he know Tippett better? Shouldn't he hire him instead?

[Redrum]

If they made a clause saying if he puts the same 3 tired guys out for 3 faceoffs in a row without a half-assed face-off center when you have the opportunity to change, you are fired on the ****ing spot, then I guess I could take Peters. Actually wait, I guess not because somebody that goddamn stupid shouldn't step foot anywhere near a bench.

[dissentowner]

My biggest issue with this is he just fired our coach and states he is going to do a thorough search to get the right fit and then instead rushes to sign a guy with zero success in the NHL. Unless Treliving interviews multiple people before making a decision I am convinced we have a poor gm. I hope he proves me wrong.

[Buck Murdock]

Surprise surprise, Treliving prefers the lightweight coaching option. The difference is this coaching mistake will cost him HIS job.

[dfsflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Never thought I'd say this, but I would encourage anyone who wants an actual analysis and discussion of Peters' work to head to HF and read the main board thread there. It's actually a decent discussion and good information, unlike this putrid embarrassing thread which has once again been ruined by some of the usual suspects.

I actually have hope for Peters now, given that the information relayed there is by actual fans who have watched him play and realize just how little he had to work with. Some are actually saying that since Calgary has a better roster and better skating D, it might actually work out here. The general consensus I got was that the 'Canes were due for a change as Peters' time had run its course. However he is actually a good coach who had little to work with roster-wise, terrible goaltending (sounds familiar), and given the right situation he can have success.

...

Funny how so much hyperbole has permeated this thread, and yet nothing has even been announced. And yet the actual fans who had him as their bench boss really do think he's a decent coach who just needed a bit more to work with.

A complete 180 of the perspective CP has vs what actual 'Canes fans think. I have hope now.

Looking at HF there are a few different opinions. Perhaps the it sounds a lot like Gulutzen and people want a change. Anyways here are a few quotes from HF:

Good coach, didn't seem willing or able to adjust his systems to his roster to really get the most out of it that he could. I attribute that to inexperience and will likely improve as he goes along. With a bit more talent, he could have done more. Still a ***** for bailing.

He would have had better results with a more talented roster. He took a team that has no top-shelf scoring talent and no goaltending, and made them look like a viable playoff team for much of the season. The wheels fell off eventually and he was very visibly frustrated with certain players by the end. Bear in mind this happened at the same time as an ownership change and the GM getting "promoted" out of his job.

Criticism on Peters is that he forces a very Corsi/analytics friendly structure, with a lot of shooting from the outside and a lot of risks at the blue line which allow a smaller but higher-quality number of chances against. You need the right group of players to really be successful with that style.

IMO he's the best coach currently on the market.

You'll get input from Canes fans that is completely opposite from each other. Some think he's a poor coach that doesn't adapt well and employs a system that doesn't get the most out of players and doesn't promote offense. Some think he's a good coach that got the most out of a young roster that lacks enough talent and has terrible goaltending.

His system needs fast defensemen, otherwise bad things will happen. He is very good for Corsi purposes

Lack of calling a TO before the game got out of control and it always did. I think he is an OK coach but the end result was no playoffs in 4 years and the under utilization of Eric Staal where he puts up 40 goals on another team.

A lot of issues also stem from having the worst goaltending of the past 5 years. League-average goaltending would have had us in the playoffs and likely a very different situation in our front office.

As far as I could see, Peters had the team playing the best system possible for the group of players we have. I don't see ANY coach in this league making the Hurricanes into a contender with the present roster.

It's hard to tell where the fault lied with Peters. His unwavering dedication to his system tended to stifle the creativity of some of our more offensively gifted players, leading to long periods of an unwhelming offensive performance.

But it's possible that he only employed that system because outside of a few talented players, the roster sucked.

I'm glad he's gone. He wasn't working out here, and it was far past due to move on from him. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him find success elsewhere.

His players give him good effort and your team will transition up the ice well and dominate the cycle. The downside is his system leads to tons of peremiter offensive play. He also has no patience for "East West play". Those players will end up in his dog house. His teams are very disciplined and you won't take many penalties or you'll be in his dog house.

He did a good job at first with young players development but that fell off at the end. You will see lots of high danger chances against if your dmen can't skate amazingly well due to the tight gaps he expects in all situations. He never keeps his lines and players seem to have a hard time building chemistry.

Either way as Carolinas roster improved the results didn't and Bill is very stubbornly conservative. He also thought Eric Staal could no longer have it as a NHL center and forced him to the wing turning a consistent 75 pt center into a 35 pt wing.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But this —


... is pretty much the exact opposite of this —

Its really not.

Sutter, Babcock, QV, AV are probably on 50-75% of people's top 5 list of NHL coaches from the past decade. We all know we're getting a great coach in AV and Sutter.

To 100% ignore a great coach because you don't have familiarity with them, but are willing Bill Peters because you have a "prior relationship" is exactly like taking a mystery box. You're hoping he's a top 5 coach.

But if you want a top five coach...just hire a top 5 coach. Two of them are available...

[Flames_Gimp]

booooo

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Its really not.

Sutter, Babcock, QV, AV are probably on 50-75% of people's top 5 list of NHL coaches from the past decade. We all know we're getting a great coach in AV and Sutter.

To 100% ignore a great coach because you don't have familiarity with them, but are willing Bill Peters because you have a "prior relationship" is exactly like taking a mystery box. You're hoping he's a top 5 coach.

But if you want a top five coach...just hire a top 5 coach. Two of them are available...

I don't understand this thought process... How do you know that Tre hasn't considered AV and Sutter as options? How do we know AV or Sutter are even remotely interested in coaching the Flames?

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Beninho

ya, screw interviewing other potential candidates. The guy who just ended a mediocre tenure in Carolina gets an immediate job with the Flames. Treliving better have a lot of faith in Peters, because his job is on the line with this hire.

Classic Flames hire

How do you know they didn’t interview AV or Sutter?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Never thought I'd say this, but I would encourage anyone who wants an actual analysis and discussion of Peters' work to head to HF and read the main board thread there. It's actually a decent discussion and good information, unlike this putrid embarrassing thread which has once again been ruined by some of the usual suspects.

I actually have hope for Peters now, given that the information relayed there is by actual fans who have watched him play and realize just how little he had to work with. Some are actually saying that since Calgary has a better roster and better skating D, it might actually work out here. The general consensus I got was that the 'Canes were due for a change as Peters' time had run its course. However he is actually a good coach who had little to work with roster-wise, terrible goaltending (sounds familiar), and given the right situation he can have success.

Other then a couple people who went to the one single 'Canes game this season and someone who watched a couple of their games vs other teams (and said good things about Peters), it seems that no one here has really bothered to watch ANY 'Canes games when it wasn't the Flames playing. And yet those same people are now have expert opinions and are able to magically see the future that this move is doomed to failure.

Funny how so much hyperbole has permeated this thread, and yet nothing has even been announced. And yet the actual fans who had him as their bench boss really do think he's a decent coach who just needed a bit more to work with.

A complete 180 of the perspective CP has vs what actual 'Canes fans think. I have hope now.

I read that thread, and it really seems like a mixed bag.

Again, what concerns me is that Carolina seemed to have the same weaknesses as Calgary, and having the same strengths. Peters himself - according to some of the fans in that link - stated some of his faults in player management and in-game adjustments. Again, it SEEMS a lot like Gulutzan.

Of course there were differences as well. For instance, more than one poster 'complained' about putting the lines through a blender every night with his constant juggling (which, to me, sort of contradicts his lack of in-game adjustments - line juggling is an adjustment to me, but they made specific comments about other adjustments that they thought were really poor).

Also, there was at least one Canes' fan that complained about pulling the goalie and not scoring. That sounds like Calgary a lot too. Lack of accountability to anyone that is not a rookie or a 4th liner. Not pulling a goalie when it is obvious they are not ready to play and allow a few quick goals. Not taking a timeout when a team is reeling from getting a couple of goals scored on them.

Others feel it is just a lack of talent, and think that Peters is a really good coach. Some blame goaltending.

I don't know - I don't think it is going to help either crowd see the other side by going into that thread. Lots of contradictory info. I actually recommend that people don't visit that thread. LoL

It seems a lot like CP with regards to Gulutzan (though less so in the last month leading to his dismissal). Half the fanbase thinks one thing and supports the coach, the other half thinks differently and is glad that the coach is gone.

I guess we will find out if Peters does indeed become the next Flames' head coach.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by KevinKlineReadingABook

I don't understand this thought process... How do you know that Tre hasn't considered AV and Sutter as options? How do we know AV or Sutter are even remotely interested in coaching the Flames?

Tre literally said in the press conference on Tuesday - when GG was fired - that they were going to start the process of hiring a new coach starting "now" and there was "a lot of work that needed to be done to conduct a thorough search"

One day later rumors about Peters start and three says later we're hearing its "a done deal".

How much due diligence has possibly happened in three days on multiple candidates?

[djsFlames]

Treliving loves the mystery box.

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Tre literally said in the press conference on Tuesday - when GG was fired - that they were going to start the process of hiring a new coach starting "now" and there was "a lot of work that needed to be done to conduct a thorough search"

One day later rumors about Peters start and three says later we're hearing its "a done deal".

How much due diligence has possibly happened in three days on multiple candidates?

Dunno, but it's not "a done deal", 'cause it hasn't happened.

That said, how do you know that looking at alternative coaching options wasn't being explored prior to GG being fired?

You're putting a lot of faith in conjecture.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by KevinKlineReadingABook

Dunno, but it's not "a done deal", 'cause it hasn't happened.

That said, how do you know that looking at alternative coaching options wasn't being explored prior to GG being fired?

You're putting a lot of faith in conjecture.

Because Tre said so. His direct words in his press conference and subsequently on the Fan960.

[shogged]

everything i read about Peters is basically GG 2.0

[timbit]

Interesting alternative option.

Jim Nill, GM for Dallas knows Peters very well as they worked in Detroit together with the Red Wings for 2 seasons. Peters as an assistant to Babcock and Nill in charge of amateur scouting and then GM of their AHL affiliate team in Adirondack.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dfsflamesfan

Looking at HF there are a few different opinions. Perhaps the it sounds a lot like Gulutzen and people want a change. Anyways here are a few quotes from HF:

Ughhh.

Sounds like GG to a T but with a tougher demeanor. That wasn't the sole issue with GG though, it was his entire ####ing system.

I don't care if there's a transitional period, just get the guy with the system that gets results. Whatever we've been adopting, this high possession low creativity, perimeter game that doesnt win needs to die in a fire, not be added to.

[KevinKlineReadingABook]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Because Tre said so. His direct words in his press conference and subsequently on the Fan960.

You think he would have told the media that they had already been looking at other coaches while GG still had the role?