[News Roundup] Garbage bag day: Monahan had 4 surgeries!

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by AC

Eric Francis: "Monahan isn't a guy that will do whatever it takes to win."

Came to post that exact same thing. Dude plays through an injury that requires 4 surgeries to fix but because he doesn’t throw temper tantrums on the ice he doesn’t care about winning.

What a load of crap that whole angle is. The team just isn’t good enough. Period. No need to overthink it and question people’s character or will to win.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

why did the flames even let him play would be a better question.

Monahan did say that he has dealt with wrist-issues for years, so I expect because he is a tough SOB, coupled with the fact that the Flames were in the thick of a race for a Division playoff spot he likely had a lot of say in how much he played.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Aaron Vickers @AAVickers
More Tkachuk: "My flight home is April 11. It’s not the way we drew it up, not at the beginning of the year. I hope we all look at it in maybe two months when teams are playing in the Cup Final and realizing our season has been two months over and that’s where we want to be.”

Aaron Vickers
@AAVickers
Last one from Tkachuk, on if his second year in the NHL was a success: "I don’t look at it when people say, ‘you had a better year…offensively you produced a little bit more.’ It’s not about that at all. I didn’t do enough to get the team into the playoffs.”

Best and favorite Flame right now, easily.

[AC]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Pat Steinberg@Fan960Steinberg

Monahan says he’s had his left wrist reconstructed. Wearing a sling today, says he should be fully recovered in about 3 months.
Says he had to grind through it for the final 35 or so games of his season. #Flames

Monahan's stats during those 35 games with 1 wrist and gradually more serious injuries: 13G + 17A

[MissTeeks]

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t get these shots at ownership thst they are cheap.

People claim “the Flames do not retain on trades” “ownership won’t pay for top management staff” etc.

If the Flames were so cheap they wouldn’t have a POHO and would just have Burke or Treliving dealing with King. They wouldn’t have Conroy, and Pascall probably just 1. They likely wouldn’t have Chris Snow.

Just because they didn’t hire Boudreau when Hartley was gored doesn’t mean they won’t pay for the right coach.

For instance give AV a 4-5 year deal and sell the owners that this is the guy. You want a top guy you need to pay but then the team will have stability. AV has had 2 jobs in 12 years with no seasons off.

Agreed, so many fans have no idea how good we have it with an ownership group willing to spend to the cap, what more do they want.

I figure people are just trying to crap on the ownership group and trying to make tie ins to their stance that they want the city to invest for the development of the new arena.........therefore cheap cause they won't do it on their own and then people try to make correlations with the hockey side to justify their views.

Regardless of where you sit on the arena debate, the owners stance isn't about "being cheap" it's about what they think the right business decision / outcome should be on that particular project. Nothing to do with affordability or having alligator arms, it has to do with what they think is the appropriate structure of the deal based on ROI and the other stakeholders ROI. Again, you don't have to agree with their stance, but this isn't a "cheap" ownership group.

[Enoch Root]

Through Feb 8th, Monahan had: 27G in 53 games, .509 GPG, record 28-18-8 (97 pt pace)
For the remainder of the season: 4G in 21 games, .190 GPG, record 9-17-2 (59 pt pace)

[calumniate]

I'd like to know what Ferland was dealing with in the latter half. He missed a number of games

[Racki]

Hearing that the wrist has plagued him for years makes me fell more encouraged about next year. He has been a premier goal scorer with a nagging wrist. Does he score 40 if he comes back at 100% for the first time in a long time?

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Agreed, so many fans have no idea how good we have it with an ownership group willing to spend to the cap, what more do they want.

I figure people are just trying to crap on the ownership group and trying to make tie ins to their stance that they want the city to invest for the development of the new arena.........therefore cheap cause they won't do it on their own and then people try to make correlations with the hockey side to justify their views.

Regardless of where you sit on the arena debate, the owners stance isn't about "being cheap" it's about what they think the right business decision / outcome should be on that particular project. Nothing to do with affordability or having alligator arms, it has to do with what they think is the appropriate structure of the deal based on ROI and the other stakeholders ROI. Again, you don't have to agree with their stance, but this isn't a "cheap" ownership group.

It’s more of a “owners are cheap because they haven’t spent on a top quality coach since 1990...” that’s basically the gripe for most people and just a sense that we haven’t had much success over the past 25 years so we blame the one thing that’s been pretty much constant over that period.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Racki

Hearing that the wrist has plagued him for years makes me fell more encouraged about next year. He has been a premier goal scorer with a nagging wrist. Does he score 40 if he comes back at 100% for the first time in a long time?

Was on pace for 40 on Feb 8th, despite the injury. So I would say yes.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Two hernias, a completely rebuilt wrist and still pots 30 goals. No will to win there.

Take your witchhunt elsewhere. Holy smokes thats insane Monny held on like that.

Thats the kind of grit that shortens a career.

Honestly I love that he tried to plug through all of that but Id rather lose the season the way we did while getting Monny out the minute the wrist thing happened.

There was a point this season where I couldn't understand why Monahan and Johnny were not clicking. This explains a lot, however it is amazing he still got 30 goals. This might also explain why the team kind of shut down emotionally late in the season with so many of the main guys out due to concussions and what not. Not wanting to make excuses for the team down the stretch because every team has injuries.

[GoJetsGo]

This information about Monny makes some of Francis's comments (and a few on this forum) look asinine.

[burn_this_city]

Just a reminder, like Edmonton, Eric Francis is no good. Don't fall for his gaslighting nonsense.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I'd like to know what Ferland was dealing with in the latter half. He missed a number of games

Did he get a concussion after that fight, just seems like he has not been the same since that big concussion; Reminds me of how Stajan was slow to come back from concussion and still gets pretty angry whens someone tries to hit him in a bad way. Ferland has toned it down a lot since his concussion and may explain why his role on the team has somewhat changed.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Did he get a concussion after that fight, just seems like he has not been the same since that big concussion; Reminds me of how Stajan was slow to come back from concussion and still gets pretty angry whens someone tries to hit him in a bad way. Ferland has toned it down a lot since his concussion and may explain why his role on the team has somewhat changed.

Or he decided to play a skilled game which doesn't suit him at all. He no longer does what made him successful in the first place. It's great that he got 20 goals but I think anyone playing on the top line will do okay offensively. Reminds me too much of when Glencross decided thinking he was Gretzky 2.0, which led him out of the league quickly.

[Erick Estrada]

Given Monahan's injuries and the health of Smith, Tkachuk, Brody, etc even if this team did play well enough in the middle of the season to get a playoff birth it appears this wouldn't be the year they make much noise in the playoffs. I simply don't see this team going anywhere in the playoffs without their top line center being at least 80%. Sounds like he wasn't even 50%.

[djsFlames]

First line was dominant for quite a stretch before Monahan's second or third injury finally bogged him down. Doesn't excuse the rest of the team for packing it up and getting blown out in many games and the coaches for allowing that to go on.

[devo22]

those Tkachuk comments and that news on Monahan are spectacular on their own. But man, Francis' comments really do look dumb next to them.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Or he decided to play a skilled game which doesn't suit him at all. He no longer does what made him successful in the first place. Reminds me too much of when Glencross decided thinking he was Gretzky 2.0, which led him out of the league quickly.

When exactly did Ferland make this decision?

Through his first 55 games of the season he was pretty consistent and experiencing the most success of his professional career. I think it is much more likely that his production plummeted in tandem with Sean Monahan's injuries.